I give on this......I stated facts put out in a news letter from Nissan Motorsports, If you dont like that get at them as for steve and his autocross times I didnt like him then I dont like him now his opinion is dirt to me.......As for the road coarse theres a certain amount of drifting in any road race....(But i see your point Dave, point well taken I will reword next time.....) As for the SR20 Its not the road racer the VG30ET is.... torq plus high RPM's plus handling and a new ballance of weight equals me dogging the VE driver or not. As for the SR20VE against my SR20DET maybe but never against my archaic out of date VG monster, theres not even a comparison.......Its like putting a bad driver in a GT500 car and a good driver in a GT300 car and telling the GT300 guy to pass the GT500 guy only on straitaways........But we'll put times down this summer and see what happens........(To be fair)