I'm referring to cars produced within the last 3-4 years. Such as any v8 stang,fbody,evo and sti. I personally find 12 second cars to be slow, sure 5+ years ago they were considered fast and pretty much dominated the streets,but as technology advances things get faster. Hell h/c ls1's run mid-low 11s and 03-04 cobra's are only a few boltons away from similar times.