okat look yes i like the tc very nice car.i never said that a srt-4 is not capable of making that power.i am very good freinds with two srt-4 owners darrel cox and mike crawford of darrell cox racing and phat rides.so i am very aware of the power thet are capable of.i also worked at speed unlimited in morningside md for years and worked along side of owners of fast ls-1s cobras you name as well as the endless customers with the same.so i am very well educated on both side of this fence.. and me personally i think it is more impressive to see any 4cl(tc srt-4 civic)you call it run as fast or faster than a 4.6 or larger v8 period all i am doing is giving the kid an idea of what the car can produce and give him "advise"on the car he asked about which is a TC not ls1 or srt-4 if i recall the thread said scion tc last i checked