I think you need to divide the fast and the furious import scene from the rest of us. It's not fair to say that imports are all ricers and crap. I know it's easy to say because honestly they are (no pun intended) the loudest. It's hard to notice the import enthusiats cuz they're just kinda there. ricers aren't import enthusiats, theyre just enthusiastic...kinda. I know you made a disclaimer, but the japanese import scene isn't exactly as you describe. and i just don't like mean'ness. theres lots of mean'ness on this forum. lots of people don't like lots of other people, or there cars at least....i dont think i know what im talking about anymore. I just dont like hearing about the "japanese import scene" as fast and furious. and i dont like cruelty, i guess thats all... :runs away: