Actually I think ricers should hang out more with car enthusiasts. Then maybe they'll learn something. I had a friend that after he saw F&TF went out and bought a civic and started ricing it out. Well me and another buddy took him with us when we were putting bushings on his Sentra SEL and kinda showed him what was up and showed him places to learn about his car. I found out later that he took all the crap he put on there off(Altezza's, windsheild wiper LED's, parkbench, and some stupid stickers), and was well on his way to making an actually decent car.