thanks guys, yea I heard they revised some things on 99.5's and up so I am looking for those also. My heart isn't really set on an A4 but it's the car that looks the most appealing to me. I want a nice german car, I've looked a few BMW's, but none have caught my eye except for the 5 series which is out of my price range. All the maintnance will be done by me so I'm not worried about shop fee's. I am perpared for the PITA ass work when it happens. BTW what are CEL's? I've heard A4's have problems with tie rods, control arms, and sunroofs. I've also heard the 1.8's require a little more maintnance then the 2.8's.