They low ball the fuck out of people, you'll just leave pissed off. It really is just a big crock of shit. The first thing they'll do is give you this MS PowerPoint presentation about how they're so great, then they'll escort you through their lot to see the cars while some appraiser guy goes off and romps on your car. He'll return and tell you this and that and that you're car is a pile of shit, then they'll give you their price on some fancy piece of paper. They offered a friend of mine $10,000 for a 2000 Honda S2000 with 25,000 miles. The sales people are complete retards too. While we were wandering around in the lot, I was being heavily sarcastic and testing the sales guy with what he knew. Needless to say, by the time we left, I had him believing that Acura was owned by Daimler Chrysler.