With all things being equal I agree. However, when you're dealing with variables, like drivers and driving ability, you'd be amazed what can happen. And yes, the Turbo II cars were all second gens. Such as the one at Langley last week. He was slow, but I think he was also fairly new. Being slow AND a noob is a good thing at a place like Langley. As we've seen, it can be kinda unforgiving.