thanks reuter. i wasnt trying to step on anyones toes. all i was saying was 12 sec or faster cars. imports or domestics. i LIKE SUPRAS and SKYLINE. i dont know why it was so hard to see that i just didnt wanna sey. hell lets meet up im new to the area. and come to find out im in a parking lot at 11 at night, with some civics with no front hubcaps and coffee cans for exhaust. thats not what im after. by all means. the 10 sec CRX. come on, and hang out. hell ill talk about that car. but i dont wanna talk NOS and blow off valve size on a stock motor with a turbo runnin 2#'s off boost. what is so freakin hard to understand?