All I'm saying is, from what the build specs are...if you can beat all them cars out there where you are, then they must be really slow. You're talking some big talk without any legitimate numbers except "bring your type-r" who said type-r's are fast? Last I checked they were still in the 14s stock, maybe really high 13s? (been a while, haven't watched Type-R Legend in a while so if I'm wrong, please forgive).