Na bud I was at work. There too much to quote So ill just type

Have you ever driven a 200whp N/A honda? Or any other car with a very light chasis and a decent amount of power?

My car hardly ever spun,of course I was only at 210-220 WHP.

Ill still say DSM's are shitty, maybe not in the right hands but none the less. If a K series motor could mount to the D series trans and transfer case in a EF hatch or wagon I wouldn't be surprised if it womped on a Eclipse with the same amount of power. Yes MUCH more aerodynamis than a Eclipse but also much lighter.

For reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxtf3...ext=1&index=78

But im not going to keep arquing about it over the internet you have your opinion I have mine.