What "honda owners" need to realize about dsm's is that there not for the average builder. They are complicated and they wil piss you off more than anything. The dsm's you see broken are the ones that someone that did not know anything about them and try to crank up the boost on a bonestock car. I love 1st gen dsm's and when I tried to build a dsm I just didn't know what i was doing. Most of the people on here that own Hondas don't know much about a honda. I'm not a professional but have learned as much as I can about cars from friends. Quit arguing to the dsm owners because there car are crazy fast. They know more than you and I and quit making honda owners look dumb... PLEASE Oh and you can make a DSM handle. You can make them light just like a honda.