thanks brian...and yah thats him! he's dieing for one, but no worries, he'll have one soon! okae, no more mushy i love you stuff, promise! LOL and i think im getting the shifting stuff down, i just didnt understand it at first, yah i know, im slow sometimes (lol) but i know what im doing now....we'll have to try it again so i can show you. i chirped second today....i didnt realize how easy it is!!!! but thanks again brian, it means a lot!