just to give you an idea.... i had an old vw with a rusted out exhaust...i mean this shit was swiss cheeze, anyways they reworked the entire exhaust from the cat back for 80.00 even... they welded new hangers a new tip and sections of new piping all in like 2 hours.... great prices great service. it was the one on independence next to the chinese resteraunt almost before you T bone shore drive.