Originally Posted by Lord Humongous

And they're legitimatly one of the ugliest cars I've ever seen

Originally Posted by blackout

s4/5 is a different class of car than what we're talking about. there's a difference between your general "luxury sport" car that's an ultra-comfortable, prestigious quality "fun" car and your over the top ludicrously overpriced ridiculousness like many of these super sedans we're talking about. the 335i that i had was a different experience than the sti i'm driving now, the fit and finish of that car was fantastic (and the audi interior blows the bimmer's out of the water...). but my personal taste brought me back to the pure fun of an sti. like i said, to each their own, i love the s5's looks and that 4.2 v8 is EXQUISITE. i think i remember clarkson saying it was the best motor on the planet (he was driving an rs4, which i think is a cool car but yes still overpriced...). they put it in the first R8, for christ's sake.



but then here's the other side of that 4.2, and yet another reason i decided to "side-grade" from my 335i... the service on these german cars is just ridiculous. they talk all that shit about german engineering, but their shit breaks ALL THE TIME, and conveniently right at the end of their warranty period. and it's stupid expensive to repair, and you may as well give up trying to do the work yourself unless you're a certified technician with access to their proprietary equipment; i swear on most of them you can't even change the damn oil without some sort of manufacturer-specific tool...



this is where i'll disagree. i'll never buy used again. i bought a demo range rover evoque with this mentality with only 5000 miles on it, used only by the dealership sales staff and nearly 10k knocked off the msrp. it's a heaping pile of shit, and i'm literally filing for a lemon law on it after it's been in the shop twice, the first time for over 30 days for a new transfer case and then a wheel bearing that scared my wife half to death on her trip home from virginia beach a week after we got it from the first repair. NEVER. AGAIN. you never know what the car was put through for those miles you didn't have it... and lemon law only covers NEW cars (and is a tremendous pain in the ass, as is anything involving lawyers and the weight of a manufacturer to go up against).