Getting DSMLINK :D
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Originally Posted by KPWSavestheDay
But you don't even need all of that...airflow in lbs/min is 50x more important than any boost estimate or actual boost reading. The only reason I keep the gauge around is because at a glance it will tell you what is going on while at wot, as opposed to looking at the log after the run is over. And yeah, wbo2 is nice. I mounted mine on top of the steering column and love having it around.
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3bar sensor, and boost est are two great features, airflow in lb/min tells you nothing other than bragging rights and ability to double check your fuel system's limits as far as I'm concerned.
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Are you kidding Chris? Airflow in lbs per minute has a direct relationship to the power you are making....pounds per square inch means absolutely nothing unless you are extremely familiar with the compressor map for the turbo you are running. What would you rather me tell you, something meaningless like your signiture (23 psi on pump gas) or something that gives you an actual idea of what is being made, ie airflow logs of 44 lbs/min.
Because the airflow logged will be higher. Also I always save my logs with the turbo they were on, the gas used, the psi I was running, and the date and number of run that day.
Boost doesn't mean anything. It is pressure as measured in the intake manifold but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual flow of air. Is 15psi on a t25 equal to 15psi on a t88? Of course not. That is why looking at lbs per minute or some measure of flow is much more important than the pressure the intake manifold is subjected to.
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Ever made a run, and then the next run adjusted the boost level? How would you know if you had adjusted the boost level or not looking at the logs weeks from then without some sort of logged boost?
Boost doesn't mean anything. It is pressure as measured in the intake manifold but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual flow of air. Is 15psi on a t25 equal to 15psi on a t88? Of course not. That is why looking at lbs per minute or some measure of flow is much more important than the pressure the intake manifold is subjected to.
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Originally Posted by KPWSavestheDay
Are you kidding Chris? Airflow in lbs per minute has a direct relationship to the power you are making....pounds per square inch means absolutely nothing unless you are extremely familiar with the compressor map for the turbo you are running.
Originally Posted by KPWSavestheDay
Because the airflow logged will be higher. Also I always save my logs with the turbo they were on, the gas used, the psi I was running, and the date and number of run that day.
Boost doesn't mean anything. It is pressure as measured in the intake manifold but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual flow of air. Is 15psi on a t25 equal to 15psi on a t88? Of course not. That is why looking at lbs per minute or some measure of flow is much more important than the pressure the intake manifold is subjected to.
What would you rather me tell you, something meaningless like your signiture (23 psi on pump gas) or something that gives you an actual idea of what is being made, ie airflow logs of 44 lbs/min.
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LOL I love you guys. You make me wanna sell my 3 guages and 3 pod pillar and get a stocker and spend the $$ on a 3bar too lol. I love the sleeper look
but I kinda also love the boost guage to glance at. It's a taste thing I suppose when it comes down to it. But here I am tryin to make people think its a gs lol. if I took those guages down, changed my rims, and painted my car red, 99.9% of the people would assume my car was a GS if it wasnt for my 2 ended tail pipe.
P.S. I'm still waiting for the darn delivery
It didnt come today. I mailed it out monday, it got there tue at 8:30am, and he mailed it today (Wed), and it should get here tomorrow. but on the tracking # it doesnt say they picked up the package and I got the # at 8am this morning. blah
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P.S. I'm still waiting for the darn delivery
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Basically you said having a logged boost source is irrelevant is what I recieved from your reply, which to me is absolutely wrong.
I wasn't dissing your sig or saying anything about it other than the fact that knowing what psi you are running tells me nothing unless I know the turbo that is pushing that air, whether you have cams, a smim or anything else that would greatly affect the amount of airflow. Whereas....lbs/min will always be a clear indication of the power you are making and requires no other knowledge of the setup.
I always adjust boost until I am flowing a desired amount of air (which will translate into a certain amount of power onced tuned) and that is what I assume most people would be interested in doing.
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Yes telling you what psi I run without knowing my setup doesnt tell you much at all you are correct, however my point was that PSI still does play an important tuning role, that was the point in my long winded responses. I think there just was miscommunication between us.
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the DSM computer must be realy tuner friendly. I know the mopar computers are a hard nut to crack and if you try and talk about it publicly DCX comes knocking at your door, must be nice...
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Well DSMlink for 2g's requires an eprom. Non-eprom ECU's cant be changed. But yes apparently it isnt too hard because DSMlink isnt the only eprom tuning out there, they also make preprogrammed chips from keydiver. Definately some kool things you can do with a single chip if you know what is going on. They just released the 1g version, and theres even more interesting things they've done with that, which ultimately will reach the 2g world as well it just will take some slight time.
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Well DSMlink for 2g's requires an eprom. Non-eprom ECU's cant be changed. But yes apparently it isnt too hard because DSMlink isnt the only eprom tuning out there, they also make preprogrammed chips from keydiver. Definately some kool things you can do with a single chip if you know what is going on. They just released the 1g version, and theres even more interesting things they've done with that, which ultimately will reach the 2g world as well it just will take some slight time.
like what? and what is key driver?
I wish we had that security code like um whatsitcalled for the 1g where u press certain pedals so many times in a combination b4 u can start the car, making it almost impossible to steal lol
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Key Diver is a modified chip that alters rev limits, compensates for larger injectors, gives you a stutterbox and no lift to shift, etc...similar to dsmlink except that you cannot change the settings once it has been burned and installed. Basically obsolete now that Tom and Dave have finished with the 1g version of dsmlink, but because of it's cost many people will probably still continue to buy them.
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