Notices
Western VA The Virginia Tech, JMU and surrounding area forum. Introductions and regional topics go here.

let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Old Jan 23, 2008 | 07:43 PM
  #931  
Spooln4's Avatar
Spooln4
I <3 2JZ
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,004
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, VA
Spooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by HighPSI TSi Guy
The purpose of the tensioner is to put tension on the belt, NOT to pick up slack and adjust for install error. If you are not properly setting the belt tension then that is the answer to the timing belt problems about 30 pages back.
I guess I've been lucky then for 6 years. I've always set it by clocking the tensioner pulley over so that the holes are perpendicular and on top or bottom.
Old Jan 23, 2008 | 08:47 PM
  #932  
HighPSI TSi Guy's Avatar
HighPSI TSi Guy
❒Good ❒ Better ✔Best
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg
HighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud of
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by Spooln4
I guess I've been lucky then for 6 years. I've always set it by clocking the tensioner pulley over so that the holes are perpendicular and on top or bottom.
Not trying to start an arguement here but I've done dozens setting the tension to it's factory spec with the proper tools and never seen one that wasn't way out of spec on the loose side with the pulley clocked at 12:00 (6-bolt) or 6:00 (7 Bolt) They always end up about 30* (+/- 10*) past perpendicular for me. The tool is $20 and with the correct tool it's no harder (if nothing else easier) to do the proper way than any ghetto screwdriver tricks. The prybar shit works for a serpentine belt but I wouldn't trust the safety of my motor to that. Do what you want but IMO the $20 tool is worth it. If you've gone this long your belt is probably ok, but something to keep in mind next time you do it.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 06:56 AM
  #933  
Spooln4's Avatar
Spooln4
I <3 2JZ
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,004
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, VA
Spooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond reputeSpooln4 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by HighPSI TSi Guy
Not trying to start an arguement here but I've done dozens setting the tension to it's factory spec with the proper tools and never seen one that wasn't way out of spec on the loose side with the pulley clocked at 12:00 (6-bolt) or 6:00 (7 Bolt) They always end up about 30* (+/- 10*) past perpendicular for me. The tool is $20 and with the correct tool it's no harder (if nothing else easier) to do the proper way than any ghetto screwdriver tricks. The prybar shit works for a serpentine belt but I wouldn't trust the safety of my motor to that. Do what you want but IMO the $20 tool is worth it. If you've gone this long your belt is probably ok, but something to keep in mind next time you do it.
There is no arguement, I just used what worked the last time. The next time it's apart I will try and locate a timing tool, and check the tension. I did replace all the timing parts with oem pieces recently for some peace of mind.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 09:43 AM
  #934  
DSMdtrain's Avatar
DSMdtrain
Registered Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
From: VA
DSMdtrain will become famous soon enough
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

I used the screw driver trick, I've never done a timing belt on a 4g63 before so Im kind of worried about it. I'm probably going to make an 8mm x 1.25 threaded rod to ensure that everything is properly set. With the tensioner pulley, how do you judge when you have put proper tension on the belt? I read that it was when the you feel the grenade pen loosen up is when you have adequate tension. Then test it with a 5/32" drill bit. Not sure if this is correct, any advice?
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 10:44 AM
  #935  
HighPSI TSi Guy's Avatar
HighPSI TSi Guy
❒Good ❒ Better ✔Best
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg
HighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud of
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by DSMdtrain
I used the screw driver trick, I've never done a timing belt on a 4g63 before so Im kind of worried about it. I'm probably going to make an 8mm x 1.25 threaded rod to ensure that everything is properly set. With the tensioner pulley, how do you judge when you have put proper tension on the belt? I read that it was when the you feel the grenade pen loosen up is when you have adequate tension. Then test it with a 5/32" drill bit. Not sure if this is correct, any advice?
Yeah you check the clearance of the piston off the top of my head 5/32 sounds right
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:11 PM
  #936  
Heiss M3's Avatar
Heiss M3
Capitalist Pig
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,571
Likes: 0
From: Miami FL
Heiss M3 is a jewel in the roughHeiss M3 is a jewel in the roughHeiss M3 is a jewel in the roughHeiss M3 is a jewel in the roughHeiss M3 is a jewel in the rough
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Now it all makes sense why DSMs break so much.

just messin
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:17 PM
  #937  
diamondstargsx's Avatar
diamondstargsx
Registered Member
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
diamondstargsx has disabled reputation
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

here ya go.i have myself used a long screw driver years ago and bought this matco one two years ago.

MATCO MITSU TENSION PULLEY WRENCH

Designed to allow easy adjustment of camshaft spur belts with pin-holed idler pulleys
Grips pulley center, rotates it around the off center retaining bolt, allowing for adjustment
Heat treated allow steel, black finish, soft grip handle
Cover most 1990 and later Mitsubishi 4- and 6-cylinder engines (except minivan applications)

Part#: MST9870 Price: $25.70

Old Jan 24, 2008 | 12:42 PM
  #938  
DSMdtrain's Avatar
DSMdtrain
Registered Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 950
Likes: 0
From: VA
DSMdtrain will become famous soon enough
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Now if I could only get one of those by Sat that would be nice....too bad im not buying one from mitsu
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 01:06 PM
  #939  
HighPSI TSi Guy's Avatar
HighPSI TSi Guy
❒Good ❒ Better ✔Best
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,598
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg
HighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud ofHighPSI TSi Guy has much to be proud of
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by DSMdtrain
Now if I could only get one of those by Sat that would be nice....too bad im not buying one from mitsu
get the little one that goes on a 1/4" ratchet. 3sx performance sells it. It's a lot nicer because you can work around the pulley easier with it to get easier more usable angles for prying.
Old Jan 24, 2008 | 02:53 PM
  #940  
BSeriesTurbo's Avatar
BSeriesTurbo
Go Team Marlboro
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,419
Likes: 0
From: Roanoke, VA
BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo BSeriesTurbo
Default Re: let make a car specific thread(dsmers)

Originally Posted by HighPSI TSi Guy
get the little one that goes on a 1/4" ratchet. 3sx performance sells it. It's a lot nicer because you can work around the pulley easier with it to get easier more usable angles for prying.
yup, thats the one I have and use.

The tool above looks like the one we use for the volkswagens, lol.

I actually was trying to get the threaded rod deal but ended up with the pulley tensioner one instead...but then realized I would need it to in the future, upon which I did multiple times!

BTW be very careful with the threaded rod you choose, I chose one that was a cheap material, and the bastard mushroomed on the end from the tension(doing cam installs without dissassembling lower cover assemblies..) produced by the tensioner, then sheared off when I went to remove it. Talk about a bitch to fix, getting that mount bracket off is no fun. The one I have now I think came from roadrace, its a stud/welded nut, but I've prolly used it about 30 times with no ill effects....

Last edited by BSeriesTurbo; Jan 24, 2008 at 02:55 PM.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:50 PM.