Not even gonna bother getting into this. It's opinions anyways. I already stated mine.............................and I've seen some 600's wax liter bikes in the straights. Just saw it this last time at CMP: even have a good vid of it as well.

 

no its not opinion, its called physics, i mean i guess you can argue that the laws of physics are merely a set of largely accepted opinions, but i think we can both agree that they are fact and in that case i'm right and your wrong

i don't care what you have on video, first time ever i went to the drag strip on my 1000 i got beat by a F4, if someone had a video of that does that mean that F4's are faster than gsxr 1000's in the 1/4 mile? i also have a video of me doing an indicated 186 down the south straight passing 600's, so whats your point... is every liter bike in the world faster than every 600, no, i'm sure a 2005 600 with some mods and a small rider could pull on a stock early 90's zx9r with a heavy rider or something, but i'm a light guy on a fairly heavily modded 2003 gsx-r 1000, find me a 600 that is faster than that in a straight away, there is no such bike... and i'm not argueing that a liter bike always beats a 600 on a road course, if you take into account the turns then a more skilled rider on a 600 could very well beat the crap out of someone on a 1000, i also have video of me being the one passed by much smaller bikes(into turns or if i know they are back there and i let off for the straight sections), but in the straight away its just a matter of hp, weight, and aerodynamics, and the laws of physics, not skill as long as your both skilled enough to pull the throttle wide open... in your video it was either a case of someone not going WOT on their liter bike, letting off to let the 600 pass, or it simply was a newer higher modded 600 against a older liter bike, or you had a leprochon on the 600 and big pun on the liter bike... there is no 600 on the market that is faster than a TRUE modern liter bike(read: R1, gsxr 1000, 1000rr, zx10r) with equal riders in a straight away

go ahead and respond if you want, but i'm just stating facts so i mean you really can't argue with me and i would imagine at this point you have nothing to say, but i'd love to see how far you can go to you can twist my "opinions" so you can be right

 

???????

 

Its not that its just its not my bike in the first place

 

Are you kidding me?

It IS an opinion.

You told a dude that removing fairings will ONLY matter with a liter bike and NOT a 600.

Think about that del. You're talking about a liter bike that can max out at what true speed? 180? Tops? And a 600 that tops out at about 160 true speed.


Soooooooooooooo.......................what YOU'RE trying to say is that the laws of physics change DRASTICALLY from 160-180mph? Are you on crack? Fairings are fairings and they're put on a bike for a reason. I would NEVER ride a naked sportbike that was meant to have fairings on a track. I don't give a fuck whether it's a kawi Ninja 250 or a freaking Busa!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The buffeting you will receive at 160 cannot and IS NOT any less than what you will recieve at 180. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true del. But you can keep trying anyways......................



And I personally would never even think about riding someone else's bike on a track. Not unless I had the fundage to replace said bike!

 

he didn't say it will only matter if you have a 600 or a 1000. He said it will matter more on a 1000 then a 600 because it goes a whole 20 mph more by your calculations. They don't change drastically but enough to feel and as everyone has said it is there opinion and I believe Bret that you can feel a difference between 160 then 180. He never said he didnt have the money to pay to fix the bike so that might be why he's riding it and since ur not the one lending him the bike I wouldnt worry about it to much.

 

HOLY FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Does anyone BOTHER to read what I write? Or did you skim through and come up with your own conclusions?

Tracks that allow a bike to reach the rev limiter in 6th gear for any real distance are FAR and few between. So this is relatively a moot point to start with. BUT, if you can reach max speed on a liter bike on a track I can't see doing it without plastics. The same goes for a 600.

If you and anyone else on this site REALLYbelieves that the aerodynamics of a motorcycle at 160mph compared with 180mph are THAT drastically different then I will let you run with that conclusion because you are clealy insane. Doing ANYTHING above about 120mph get's you buffeted like crazy. There is not an exponetial increase. So I can't see what point ANY of you are trying to make about the differences between a liter bike and a 600.


ONE MORE TIME:

1000cc-180mph
600cc-160mph

They BOTH need to have plastics at those speeds. If you don't believe me than I could really give two shits.


And as for your comment of the money thing I mentioned: I personally would NEVER let anyone but myself ride any motorcycle of mine on a track. And I would never ride anyone else's. But IF I was to do it, I would want to have enough money to cover the cost of that bike before I took it out there.

That's what I was trying to say.

 

see i even predicted you'd have to lie to twist my words to make yourself right and you still did it just like i said, thanks for proving me right on a completely different point ... i didn't say that at all and you know it, i said it wouldn't be AS bad on a 600, not that it doesn't matter on a 600 at all and only on a 1000, the difference might be major it might be minor i didn't say how big of a difference it would be so you really had nothing to argue against except for whatever misconception you had made up for yourself

and i'm not talking about buffeting either... i'd imagine since you've just had that cbr you aren't that exprienced in the realm of 140+mph(i dont care what its indicating, your in the 140's) there is a HUGE difference from 150ish to 180, and yes the laws of physics do change as speed increases, exponentially... but what i was really talking about was the human body acting like a parachute and trying to yank you off the handle bars, regardless of power its going to be harder to hang onto at higher speeds, at those kind of speeds 20 mph is a different world all together, but even if liter bike and 600 are going the same speed like i said the liter bike has nearly double the horsepower trying to pull the bars out of your hands as it wants to keep accelerating and your unaerodynamic body wants to stay where it is, two things working against each other

and whether VIR is the only track in the world that you can reach top speed on or whether its one of thousands your point here is truely the moot one... its the track in question and most likely the track he would be riding on, so would some track in southern california or italy be more appropriate?

and seriously why do you have to type in size 60 font and use 30 exclaimation points whenever you get proven wrong, if your having trouble getting your point across maybes its not because your font is too small, but because your simply incorrect

i've ridden 600's on VIR, i've ridden 1000's... i have something to compare to, i don't claim to know all of your riding experience, so if you have a personal experience and not just a theory you made up while you were typing this then go ahead

 

I didn't get proven wrong; and you just went back on what you said earlier.

I quoted you, I didn't change the quote. It's what you said. I didn't lie. You're the one now backtracking on what you said earlier; not me.

You can bring up different tracks till you're blue in the face. YOUR point was that a 600 wouldn't be AS BAD without fairings as a 1000. I'm telling you it WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not changing my story; why change yours?

 

Link to this same subject on CF:

http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/sh...hreadid=140024


Cause I know Del thinks I'm a liar, just want to make sure everyone can read ALL of what's being said.