oh yea, definitely. but that's the way it is. i mean.. what was street racing before ricers came along? you wouldn't believe the # of posts you can see on 240 boards about "drift setups" and "how to drift" etc... ppl are just trying to jump on the bandwagon because of all the exposure drifting has been receiving. like i mentioned earlier, just about every magazine out there has an article on drifting every month....

i don't really think of drifting as taking perfectly good tires and tearing them up. well in my case it's more of taking beat up hand me down tires and finishing them off, haha. but yea, it definitely is kind of a waste to tear them up, but tires are meant to be used, hehe.

drifting is a big/long burnout? um.. ok... in case you didn't know, drifting incorporates good handling with good power.... you could just as well use the drifting cars on a road course and have great result. and you gotta realize that the reason some cars don't make a "great" amount of hp is because: 1. they're old/using old engine, as is the case with the ae86. 2. they have the car tuned for response rather than hp. still... you can't tell me a car like koguchi's 350hp 180sx is slow... you saw what jeff and eric's cars have been doing with a little over 300hp... plus their cars aren't gutted....

riiiiight.... shitty on tv? why do so many ppl d/l drifting vdos? "can" be fun in person? why is it that at every hyperfest i've attended EVERYONE comes out to watch the drift competition but not the honda, 944/miata challenge?? no real atheltic talents... well duh.. it's not really a sport... does drag racing or road racing require athletic talent? drifting, like any sort of racing does require skills. most of those skills can be aquired by road racing

 

Maybe I should re-word it. I can watch a video for about 5 minutes, and then I realize that when he turns this time he's gonna try to be sideways. Then when he turns this time, he's gonna try to go sideways. Then the next time....you get it.

Road racing for sure takes lots of talent and skill. Drag is lesser, but still a helluva lot more than hitting the e-brake a little and gassing it when the rear is out from under you. Sure, a FWD drift sound like it would be difficult, but once again, it can only be SO interesting, there's NO competition, nothing to beat, nobody to be better than like the other forms of racing.

 

no offense but you don't sound like you really know what drifting is about.

do you watch any type of racing? isn't it all pretty much the same? let's take drag racing. wouldn't you realize that when the light turns green, they'll both launch their cars to get to the end as quick as possible? it's always the same thing... now let's look at f1 racing. when they approach a corner, wouldn't you realize that they're going to turn and just keep doing that for 50 something lap? just the same thing over and over? you could always just simplify everything to a state of "boringness." basketball could just be trying to put a stupid ball in a hoop. you know what i mean?

if you think drifting is about pulling the ebrake and powering out of the corner, then you don't fully understand. like i mentioned, just about all the skills you'd learn in road racing can be applied to drifting. it's not about just sliding through a corner. and there ARE competitions out there (d1 gp comes to mind), so you can't say there's no competition. granted, it's not based on how fast you are, or who you pass, etc, like your typical racing. it's more based on style, line through a corner, ability to take the same line multiple times... if you look for option vdo's where they show d1gp, you'll understand. it's pretty much a head to head battle. there IS someone to beat. it takes more skill than you think. granted it might not be as entertaining to some ppl, but like dan said, to each his own

 

okie first of all..tires are NOT ment to be torn up. If that was the purpose of tires in racing...then you obviously dont know what racing is about. in f1 or even nascar, the person who disregards their tire damage will be the LAST to win the race. all those times he has to switch tires because he has ruined his set will him a loser at the end of a race.


2nd of all...take a car made to drift. take another car made to grip. and take them to a road course and see which one is faster around the track...EVEN if the drift setup car resorts to grip racing and best line racing....that car will loose.


and when did i ever talk about hp?

 

but it would look a hell of a lot cooler.

drift isnt so much about balls out speed as it is about style, technique, and (most of all) experience.

 

i think its funny we have people defending it like they are. sure it looks cool, but REAL racing involves technique, experience, and to some extent, style as well. we have people defending drifting who can barely do it themselves. 019, you say its about beating up old tires...but the really good guys use the stickiest tires they can find (not picking on you, just stating something). we know it looks cool. i think it looks cool as well. ive been to vir and watched road racing there, and i think thats cool. and i think rally is fun to watch. drifting is just another fad in our hypermarket and it will die out. obviously it will, if apc is laying any type of hands on it. if nothing else, all the people who started it will get sick of watching clowns doing it and will move on. the ones who truly like it will continue watching it and doing it.
maybe im wrong. maybe it will be like fwd drag racing, and stick around just for the sole reason that that form of racing is easier to get to. but i doubt it. arent many newer rwd cars coming out that are affordable to joe ricer. so eventually it will fade.

 

this is one of the most uninformed posts ive read about drifting to date. first of all its not about tapping the ebrake and powering out of the corner. its about being sideways entering the corner and carrying speed through and out of the corner. second, all the skills aquired in road racing, autocross whatever are used in drifting, why do you think that most of the successful drifters have racing backgrounds? second it is about speed, the faster you go, the more points you score. also, in D1 when you are with another car, and you pass while drifting you win the round automatically. oh yea wangan supra guy, bring your supra to an autocross or a drift event and more likely than not, my stock motor AE86 will own you. not because of the car but because of the skill. how could you be so simple? come out to the event this sat in richmond and see how "easy" drifting is. and drifting also just as much a "sport" as any motorsports. in my opinion drag racing is the least skilled of all motorsports, he who has the best car wins. where as all other forms of racing are designed to pit driver against driver not car vs car. My favorite though is comparing the drift car to a grip car. of course the grip car will be faster, thats what its meant to do. but it wont drift. that was demonstrated when the is300 grand am car "drifted" at summit. it was very fast around the track. but hell if i throw a different pair of tires on the rear of my drift car itll fly around the track, cause thats the way i set my suspension up. any of you who want to judge, and put down something, come out and watch and try it before you say its easy. you will definitely shut your mouth especially if you try to enter a corner sideways at 60 down a slight grade 4 feet from a jersey wall with 100 hp. that takes skill. again, all doubters, please come watch the event in richmond your minds will be changed. Even Randy Probst (you race heads will know who he is) was impressed by us drifting at VIR. peace.

 

did you not see that most people never claimed it to be easy. most of us were saying that its going to start a whole new segment of ricers who will not be able to do it, and instead, just wreck their cars. from what i understand, are drift competitions based on judging? who looks better doing what? you said something about points...ok. so where is the sport in this? sure its head-to-head, but you get judged. so the guy in the front may not win even if he stays in the front??? i dont mean it doesnt take skill, because it does. a ton. but it is smoking tires, and looking good. which really isnt sport to me. its car figure skating. takes skill, but still judged. what happens if russia doesnt like you, so you dont win your drift competition.
the main point for most people is the huge amount of bullshit coming out with this new fad. you read a post like "im looking for a new car. turbo, awd would be great. anything besides a dsm?" and someone responds "s13 or s14. greatest cars ever because they make awesome drift cars. swap in a sr20 and youll be running 13s and sliding all over the place." this comes up alllll th etime. "hey, im looking at a mercedes benz because i have an extra $50k lying around." "No way, dude. get an ae86 or an s13. you can get one for less than 5k and then that leaves you 45k to make a suhweet drift machine." ive seen this on my bmw forums, too. this is what people are tired of...bandwagoneers.

 

this is a great post.. although i will argue the drag racing comment.. drag racing has a lot of skill.... anyone who drives or has driven a high hp car knows it's a lot harder to drive a fast car to it's full potential than a slow car... (i.e. it's much easier to drive a 15.0 car to a 15.0 pass than it is to drive a 9.0 car to a 9.0 pass)

my opinion on the topic is this... i'm tired of hearing about drifting.. not because i disrespect it, i have as much respect for drifting as i do for roadracing, autox, and drag racing... it's jsut that i VERY RARELY encounter any type of intelligent conversation about it, or a REAL drift driver/car. i honestly feel very sorry for those who are true enthusiasts of the sport and have to put up with the invasion of rice from it... the other forms of racing mentioned are long established in the states, and have heritage to them here, so the rice invasion of them is merely an annoyance and something to make fun of more than anything else.. drifting is a new thing over here and unfortunately has attracted the rice crowd depressingly quickly, it has not had enough time to establish itself as a realistic sport.. instead it's established itself as a ricer fad due to the way it gets coverage. unfortunately most publication it gets is marketed to the ricers, mainly, sadly, because it's japanese, and the hardcore ricers will eat that shit up... they want to be everything japan is, and they will do everything to try to be so, or at least to portray the image of such.

off on a tangent.. it's jsut another sign of the impending degredation of society.. i remember when the cool people actually came out to the hangouts and such regularly instead of having to hide to keep from beign associated with the ricers.. when people actually backed up their words, and when people actually paid up and ackknowledged their losses. nowaday's it's all aobut image... people and the media don't care what's fast or fun.. they care what LOOKS fast and fun. Image sells. truth doesn't. as much as i love my car and motorsports, i am growing more andmore disgusted with the car world every day... thankfully my car changes my mind every time i drive it

 

i agree as well with highpsi guy. its too much about image these days. and drag racing is very much difficult to control with a high powered car. but since bracket racing is about consistancy...its more about the driver than "the fastest car"

dorie: nobody ever in this thread said anything drifting taking no skill. it takes control and precision to even do something as rediculous as a burnout. and alot more to do a bunch going sideways into a corner. also...nobody challenged you to any drift event...so why are u getting all offense about it and calling people out?