he got whooped by a s13 with teins and an sr huh

 

It's funny that you can't read. If you could, you would know it was mentioned, but to stay on topic, the M3 would still whoop the s13 mentioned in this thread.

 

just for the record tsuchiya is one of the greatest race car drivers out of japan. he can drift faster than most drivers can grip a course and is well know for his ability to drive any vehicle to its limits with a minimum of seat time.

Tsukuba is a small technical track that doesnt have alot of room to open up. the lighter more nimble car will definately have the advantage on this course since it will be able to carry more speed throught the corners. the s2k handles like a gocart, and the chasis is stiff as hell. ive never driven an m3 so i cant say how it handles, but youll have a hard time convincing me that a 3500lb car can turn inside of a 2600lb car thats designed from the ground up to be a handling machine.

euro cars are great in that you can take them to the track, have a blast, and then pick up the misses for a date at night. but they are way overpriced for the performance that you get and the aftermarket for them is even worst in terms of pricing. japanese cars are great because they are well engineered cars that can easily be tapped for greater power and handling through a cheaper aftermarket.

 

So what you're saying is that you think a S13 with SR20DET and Tein HE's would beat a stock M3 on a road course?

 

If you claim a 240sx to be a handling machine over any M3, you should find a hobby other than cars. Like skydiving. Who knows, maybe we'd get lucky, and you'd forget your parachute.

 

i do believe that is what he is saying


that is


unless he is beating a dead horse that is nothing but opinion and a comparison of price of which an e46 owner, im sure, doesnt really mind

 

I think he's just beating a dead horse.

 

let's beat the dead horse then, shall we? i have a half hour to kill...

i think you all have poor reading comprehension and he is saying that an s2000 will likely beat an m3 on tsukuba. isn't it FUNNY, brianT, that his post answered my question better than yours, when you seem to be the subject matter expert (having brought it up in the first place) of the entire 'tsuchiya on tsukuba' reference?

and here i was fully prepared to defend the point you're trying so desperately to salvage by just trying to find out a little more. how sad. it seems like you're now resorting to attacking those who would be supporting you, being unable to sustain your point through mild debate.

and maybe this last, long, barely on subject post can put to rest this overlooked debacle of a thread... bare with me. throughout this thread, which you largely contributed, with your position being unwavering on how overpriced european sports cars are overrated and low-tech japanese cars can easily be made to be competitive with them, you are now reversing your position and seeking to gain favor from those who on the previous page you were arguing against. am i right? and at the same time, you're randomly attacking people who are attempting to strengthen your now defeated position.

i seriously hope you're not a lawyer.

and i didn't quite make it a half hour, either. hurry up and reply, if you're going to at all. i half expect you to offer to buy me a beer.

 

. It's easy to tap ANy car for greater power. You just have to be a baller to do it in an E46 M3. I think If you compared the aftermarket between the S2k and the M3 they would be very similar in terms of pricing on most parts.

From your description of this course it seems obvious to me why the S2k seemed faster. If the course doesn't open up at all then how can the M3 take advantage of the power that it has? Race those same two cars on VIR or Summit and I guarantee different things would happen. If you think european cars are over priced, you can think what you want. Hows this: you get what you pay for. You're going to have a hard time convincing anyone that an E46 M3 is an overpriced, poor handling car with a poor aftermarket.

Also, I like how you throw all European cars into the same bucket (ie overpriced, heavy, and poor/expensive aftermarket). I know my 3 series has an aftermarket comparable to nissans/hondas, and many of the parts are less expensive AND more functional. (i guess it kinda helps that we aren't all trying to pay extra money to be a JDM faggot huh?).

Making generalizations makes you look like an ass. (especially when you seem to have absolutely no idea what you're talking about)

 

Blackout: No, I still think the S2k will out perform the M3 in all, but the most high speed road courses and even then it wouldn't be far behind. But it's pointless to argue over the internet with bimmer heads. Am I going to change their mind? No. Are they going to change my mind? No. So really I don't give a fuck is my stance. So stop making so many stupidass assumptions.

For your information Topika, Tsukuba has a fairly high speed straight.