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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by My 240 is faster
No, the boost gauge doesn't go into the plus range like it does on 2 fast 2 furious where they shoot n2o and suddenly the boost gauges are flying.

It's just increasing the oxygen levels, not the amount of air in the engine.

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didnt say it did! and on a turbocharged engine, yea it probably would, helps spool up.. oxygen is part of air, and really the only part that matters, so if there is more oxygen, or if an engine is assisted in any way outside of itself to increase the amount of oxygen, then its NOT naturally aspirated, so unless someone comes up with a new classification like "chemical induction", hehe, its FI!!!

go look at any online store, if its not under nitrous, its classified as "forced induction"

This explains it well.. quoting mrbell from NASIOC forums

"Force(n.)-The capacity to do work or cause physical change.
Induct(v.)-To recieve, as a member; To introduce into.
A turbo/supercharger has the capacity to mechanically(read: physical) change the amount air(therfore oxygen) introduced into the cylinder that the piston could normally draw in. On the other hand, nitrous has the capacity to chemically(read: physical) change the amount of oxygen recieved in the cylinder.
So from the basics, they would both be forced induction, just different methods. They work differently, and because of this, they have other benefits and problems of their own."

*EDIT:another words, instead of being mechanically forced, it is chemically forced.

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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GaRn
:another words, instead of being mechanically forced, it is chemically forced.
precisely.
Old Mar 24, 2004 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GaRn
A turbo/supercharger has the capacity to mechanically(read: physical) change the amount air(therfore oxygen) introduced into the cylinder that the piston could normally draw in. On the other hand, nitrous has the capacity to chemically(read: physical) change the amount of oxygen recieved in the cylinder.
I understand what you are getting at but that is a very bad example. A simple intake on a n/a motor is going to change the amount of air introduced into the cylinders. No, it is not being forecefully applied to your motor but according to your defintion of force, it just brings a change. So do we consider intakes a FI? No.

I for one believe nitrous is not a FI, if you consider Nitrous as a force induction for that reasoning you would have to consider cry02 the same.

Nitrous is pressurized and it's not really even being forced into the cylinders. The cylinders actually suck it in.. like it sucks in the intake. The pressure is there so it is a constant amount of flow and to atomise the fuel and nitrous. When it heats up in the cylinder the nitrogen releases more oxygen and expands in creating more cylinder pressure....

With this said... how do you see it as a forced induction?

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Old Mar 24, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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It is forced induction because of the simple fact it is introducing an EXTRA amount of oxygen into the cylinders which normally isn't present under stock circumstances.

There is no right or wrong answer per say but I believe that it IS FI and that there is nothing wrong with N20
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Originally Posted by D1g1tal V3n0m
It is forced induction because of the simple fact it is introducing an EXTRA amount of oxygen into the cylinders which normally isn't present under stock circumstances.
So is an intake system.
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So is an intake system.

You're simply cutting fine lines with this discussion. If an intake is the same as Nitrous then how come I don't get 125HP from it?
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i know that it isnt forced into the cylinders lol..

your argument on what i quoted isnt correct though..


"A turbo/supercharger has the capacity to mechanically(read: physical) change the amount air(therfore oxygen) introduced into the cylinder that the piston could normally draw in. On the other hand, nitrous has the capacity to chemically(read: physical) change the amount of oxygen recieved in the cylinder."

thats what i qouted from someone else..

if you alter anything on the intake side, the piston is still doing all the work to get any amount of air into the cylinder, whether or not you have any mods to free up restriction or not..

the rest of what i said still holds...
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I am making true statements, not cutting fine lines. (Plus I am being a smartass too.) I for real think it should be in it's own class but if you had to distinguish between the two categories, I would stand strongly against it being a FI.
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Originally Posted by cootees
(Plus I am being a smartass too.)
LOL!!!


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Default Re: Forced Induction...an intelligent debate

Originally Posted by GaRn
if you alter anything on the intake side, the piston is still doing all the work to get any amount of air into the cylinder, whether or not you have any mods to free up restriction or not..
You just contradicted your self with my statement. The nitrous will still have to be pulled into the cylinders just like an intake does. The only way you might be able to consider it is if it were a direct port nitrous system. Otherwise the nitrous will be injected into the cylinders the same as air from the intake.



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