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99 civic si problem starting... New swap

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Old 06-06-2011, 07:00 AM
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Its a obd2 distributer.

If the gsr don't have a crank sensor wouldn't I need a obd1 distributer?

I heard the obd 1 distributers have a sensor in them that sends a signal to the crank since it don't have a crank sensor.
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Default Re: 99 civic si problem starting... New swap

Originally Posted by ttandhondas
Its obd1 conversion harness and obd1 Ecu.

Already tried another obd1 Ecu also.

It can't be crank sensor cause the gsr don't have one.
That's what we were saying. Sounded like the ecu was looking, but isn't finding one. But since you're running an obd1, IDK. Sounds to be simple, if you're that close. I'd go back through and recheck the major stuff, especially.
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Obd1 does not look for crank sensor I didn't think ?
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: 99 civic si problem starting... New swap

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Obd1 does not look for crank sensor I didn't think ?
That's what I was saying.
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:32 AM
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Could it be the obd2 distributer not getting a crank signal?

Do I need the obd1 distributer if it has the Senor to check for a crank signal?
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: 99 civic si problem starting... New swap

I haven't had to write this for at least a month, that's not bad..

OK, so let's get something straight before we all get more confused. All Honda engines have a crank sensor (which is often called a crank angle sensor). Some OBD2 Honda engines have a crank fluctuation sensor down by the oil pump, which is not the same as the crank angle sensor. The crank fluctuation sensor is not present on a lot of the JDM engines.
So all this talk about not having a crank sensor is crap. They might not have a crank fluctuation sensor. All of the OBD0/1/2 Honda engines have a crank sensor, and a cam sensor, because both are required to properly run an engine with sequential fuel injection.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:03 AM
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Default Re: 99 civic si problem starting... New swap

Originally Posted by ttandhondas
The b16 had a crank sensor but the gsr don't.
Originally Posted by ttandhondas
Its a obd2 distributer.

If the gsr don't have a crank sensor wouldn't I need a obd1 distributer?

I heard the obd 1 distributers have a sensor in them that sends a signal to the crank since it don't have a crank sensor.
Originally Posted by ttandhondas
Its obd1 conversion harness and obd1 Ecu.

Already tried another obd1 Ecu also.

It can't be crank sensor cause the gsr don't have one.
Originally Posted by live_civic7
Obd1 does not look for crank sensor I didn't think ?
Originally Posted by ttandhondas
Could it be the obd2 distributer not getting a crank signal?

Do I need the obd1 distributer if it has the Senor to check for a crank signal?
The crank sensor is in the distributor on all of the engines. The ECU will not run the engine without the crank sensor in the distributor. The crank fluctuation sensor is what you're talking about. OBD1 engines don't have it, some OBD2 engines have it. And if you need to, you can bypass the crank fluctuation sensor input on the ECU but you'd do just as well running an OBD1 ECU.



By the way, Google "crank fluctuation sensor bypass".
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:06 AM
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Any ideas on why it wont start?

Sounds like its not getting ignition but all plugs get fire.

Sounds like its whining when it turns over.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:22 AM
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Default Re: 99 civic si problem starting... New swap

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Any ideas on why it wont start?

Sounds like its not getting ignition but all plugs get fire.

Sounds like its whining when it turns over.
If you're using the OBD2 ECU from the previous engine, the crank fluctuation sensor might cause it to not start, yes. You really should be using an OBD1 GSR ECU though (P72), because you'll need something to control the secondary butterflies (IAB system) on the GSR manifold (if you're still using the GSR manifold) and you're going to be able to need to do some tuning for the turbo setup (which is not possible with the the OBD2 ECU). If you have a different intake manifold, you can use a P28 or a P30 instead of a P72 and whatever you get will still need to be chipped and tuned.
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Its obd1 Ecu. Already tuned and a aftermarket intake manifold. Even tried another obd1 Ecu still nothing
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