switch for electric fans keeps melting
Not to say you're wrong, but...you're wrong. It doesn't matter where (before or after) a load the switch or relay is, you're getting the same current through it. It's physics, and you can't dispute those laws. Current is the same everywhere around a closed loop, which in this case is from the positive battery terminal to the negative battery terminal (with the fan in the middle). The energy used to power the fan is the electrical potential energy (which equates to a voltage) that moves a current through the fan. Current is just a charge with some energy behind it, and you can't create or destroy charge, but you can use the energy that moves the charge around. That is what powers the fan. If you want to prove me right, run the wires through a multimeter before the fan and after the fan. The current will be exactly the same (or else your multimeter has some accuracy problems)..
k. then why are most loads switched on the ground sided then? i put it in the wrong words, most definately. i know how ohms law works, but i have seen many high amperage loads switched on the ground side be able to run a smaller gauge wire and/or switch.
although someone is retarded to run more than a few amps through a toggle switch though!
Last edited by HatefulMechanic; Jul 5, 2007 at 12:49 PM.
k. then why are most loads switched on the ground sided then? i know how ohms law works, but i have seen many high amperage loads switched on the ground side be able to run a smaller gauge wire and/or switch.
although someone is retarded to run more than a few amps through a toggle switch though!
although someone is retarded to run more than a few amps through a toggle switch though!
Most relay circuits switch power for safety so there is no active power at a connector junction if the circuit is off. Smart switches (special MOSFETs designed to replace relays) are mostly all high side drivers, because most relays are used in that configuration.
All of the ECUs that we make (I work for an engine controls systems company) all have onboard P-channel low side drivers to switch loads, and all relays that supply power to the ECUs switch power, not ground. If an ECU switches a relay coil, it will switch the ground side, and share a connection with the power that the relay switches. This is usually the same with toggle switches that switch a relay coil (they often switch ground also). There are many exceptions to these rules, but most often relays switch power and control electronics switch ground.
Most of the choice for switching power or ground comes from economics, safety, convenience, or some combination of those.
Again, there is the same amount of current on either side of a load, so there is no power advantage to switching one side or the other. Some automotive relays have a metal case which is connected to the switch terminals, so when switching a load to ground the case is always connected to ground (not the switched set of contacts)..
Last edited by Fabrik8; Jul 5, 2007 at 01:47 PM.
Most automotive loads are only low side switched if they're using a solid state device as a low side driver, like most ECUs do. P-channel FETs, PNP transistors, BJTs, and IGBTs are all lower resistance (and usually cheaper) than their high side driver N-channel (or NPN, etc) counterparts. Less power dissipation, less voltage drop, most cost effective, etc.
Most relay circuits switch power for safety so there is no active power at a connector junction if the circuit is off. Smart switches (special MOSFETs designed to replace relays) are mostly all high side drivers, because most relays are used in that configuration.
All of the ECUs that we make (I work for an engine controls systems company) all have onboard P-channel low side drivers to switch loads, and all relays that supply power to the ECUs switch power, not ground. If an ECU switches a relay coil, it will switch the ground side, and share a connection with the power that the relay switches. This is usually the same with toggle switches that switch a relay coil (they often switch ground also). There are many exceptions to these rules, but most often relays switch power and control electronics switch ground.
Most of the choice for switching power or ground comes from economics, safety, convenience, or some combination of those.
Again, there is the same amount of current on either side of a load, so there is no power advantage to switching one side or the other. Some automotive relays have a metal case which is connected to the switch terminals, so when switching a load to ground the case is always connected to ground (not the switched set of contacts)..
Most relay circuits switch power for safety so there is no active power at a connector junction if the circuit is off. Smart switches (special MOSFETs designed to replace relays) are mostly all high side drivers, because most relays are used in that configuration.
All of the ECUs that we make (I work for an engine controls systems company) all have onboard P-channel low side drivers to switch loads, and all relays that supply power to the ECUs switch power, not ground. If an ECU switches a relay coil, it will switch the ground side, and share a connection with the power that the relay switches. This is usually the same with toggle switches that switch a relay coil (they often switch ground also). There are many exceptions to these rules, but most often relays switch power and control electronics switch ground.
Most of the choice for switching power or ground comes from economics, safety, convenience, or some combination of those.
Again, there is the same amount of current on either side of a load, so there is no power advantage to switching one side or the other. Some automotive relays have a metal case which is connected to the switch terminals, so when switching a load to ground the case is always connected to ground (not the switched set of contacts)..
to the in depth descriptors.Most every load controlled by a PCM is done on the ground side, at least most of the ones i can think of. IAC motors, injectors, fan relays, fuel pump relays, EGR solenoid, EVAP purge and vent solenoids, GM digital EGR valves, and chrysler LDP's just to name a few. that is the line i was following, adding in that alot of switch panels on both standard wired and multiplexed fire apparatus we do are ground switchers, sharing a common power point.
but it is safer, IMO, to have the power side switched due to the fact it makes much less of a chance for having an engergized circuit if something is going wrong, ie. a wreck.
where in that did you see name calling? if you are offended by what i had posted, then i appoligize. it was not directed toward you
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