Stage kits for EVO
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
You can never really have a stage whatever car, unless there is only one company that makes kits marketed as 'stages' for it. One company's stage whatever is different from another company, so stages don't exist outside the world of parts marketing. But you can make yourself feel important by saying "I have a Cobb stage 3 WRX" or whatever. Then you'll be different than some other guy with a Perrin stage 3 WRX or whatever.
Who really cares what pre-packaged parts bundle you bought though, what does the dyno say?
Who really cares what pre-packaged parts bundle you bought though, what does the dyno say?
screw the dyno they all lie too
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
1) No one dyno reads the same
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
If you want a better comparison...take your car to the track and post of the ET and the MPH
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
If you want a better comparison...take your car to the track and post of the ET and the MPH
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
There are a lot of things that come into play for both dyno and track. Both are informational tools to give someone an idea of performance.
But back to the original debate...Stages are gay, they are more like guidelines. Just find out how you want your car to perform, research, and buy parts to meet that goal.
But back to the original debate...Stages are gay, they are more like guidelines. Just find out how you want your car to perform, research, and buy parts to meet that goal.
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
Originally Posted by derangedazn
1) No one dyno reads the same
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
"Stages" is not considered to be a standard or an accurate type of measurement.
Originally Posted by derangedazn
If you want a better comparison...take your car to the track and post of the ET and the MPH
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
If you're using some performance shop dyno sure. When it comes to the engine dynos for a car manufacturer, they are controlled environments so the number that they spit out is consistent and considered a standard.
"Stages" is not considered to be a standard or an accurate type of measurement.
Yeah, all tracks are the same
"Stages" is not considered to be a standard or an accurate type of measurement.
Yeah, all tracks are the same
Very true when dealing a mainly stock vehicles....but that argument goes out the window when one starts modding. But then again everyone runs to their local shops to get an engine dyno as soon as they throw on some parts
:roll eyes:
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Please read the post, I posted just before yours.
Very true when dealing a mainly stock vehicles....but that argument goes out the window when one starts modding. But then again everyone runs to their local shops to get an engine dyno as soon as they throw on some parts:roll eyes:
Very true when dealing a mainly stock vehicles....but that argument goes out the window when one starts modding. But then again everyone runs to their local shops to get an engine dyno as soon as they throw on some parts
:roll eyes:Both are great but a track includes a lot more factors to change your outcome compared to a dyno.
Dont worry about getting off topic, its already been established that stages are a dumb way to compare cars.
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Re: Stage kits for EVO
1) No one dyno reads the same
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
If you want a better comparison...take your car to the track and post of the ET and the MPH
2) Dyno only gives you an idea of performance at that specific moment in time. Trying dynoing the same exact car in the winter versus a 100 degree summer weather.
If you want a better comparison...take your car to the track and post of the ET and the MPH
Corrections for air temp, altitude, etc., on a quality dyno will give you consistant results. If you're not getting repeatable readings on a dyno, the dyno is garbage and probably isn't being used correctly.
My point is that if you use different dynos, and get different numbers, how do you know which one is correct? How do you know if any of them are correct?
If you weighed yourself on 5 different bathroom scales, and got 5 different readings, which scale (if any) is accurate?
How can you possibly argue that taking a car to a track is a more consistent measurement of performance change than a dyno in a controlled environment? Are you going to graph your speed every foot along the track, and apply a transform to correct for track temp, humidity, air temp, barometric pressure, etc? And are you a professional driver who has the consistency to judge improvements of the order that you imply a dyno couldn't measure?
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