They can't be that good though. I hear nothing but people bitching about these tires when its wet outside. What good is a daily driven tire if it doesn't have all around good performance? I understand people use them because they have great dry performance, but why not use these tires as a drag radial at the track then and something with all around good traction the rest of the time.....? I don't get it I guess.

 

because they really aren't that bad in the rain. You can't expect a summer tire to be awesome in the wet...

 

why not? I can name half a dozen "summer" tires that kick ass in both the rain and the wet.

 

EDIT: Double post for some reason...

 

so can I, but they are not as sticky as azenis.

 

oh okay,

cool then

 

I think the dry performance and the price are well worth the reduced wet performance. Besides. if you're driving hard enough in the rain to have problems with these tires you should bitch about your shitty driving, not your tires

 

That is exactly what I've said to people who complain...

 

well, damn. i wish i would have known where to get them locally for 300 picked up in va bch. i called a bunch of places but, no luck. i've heard they suck in the wet too .. but drive safely and it shouldn't matter. Most of the "spirited" driving is done on dry days anyways. Honestly, i wanted a decent performing tire for not a lot of money, and the tread pattern looks nice too. I think i read somewhere that the tires are scca approved or something, but that doesn't apply to me.
The purpose of my original post was to let people know about the place i purchased the tires from, not to start a debate on what's better or best. When i make a smooth purchase of something, i like to share the experience so that it may assist other people in locating what they need. If only i'd have known about 300 locally i'd have saved 29 big ole' greenbacks. Nonetheless, just to let everyone know,it was a decent transaction.

 

They are really good in the rain and a lot of people use them as their rain tires at auto-x. They do suck going through standing water. Just put two hands on the wheel when entering puddle.

I have a set on 16's that use for auto-x and track events. The only reason I dont use them for daily driving is because they dont last to long, and they are heavy.

The new Azenis 615 are finally available,