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Old 12-26-2003 | 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by reuter
by saying "yea well just because its fast doesnt mean its a sports car" yet saying that a Miata is a sports car, you are contradicting yourself. just because it can take a corner doesnt mean its a sports car. a z06 is the perfect example of a sports car in my opinion. its a (supposed) 12 second car from the factory, has excellent looks, hardtop, 6 speed, and will outhandle 99.9% of factory cars the second it rolls off the lot. an S2000 is a dog. yea, it might handle but it lacks the low end torque (or any torque below what... like 7,000rpms?) and has nothing but top end.

and what is fun about driving a miata? a while back i talked to a kid who had one and he said he had to turn off the A/C to safely merge onto a highway because it had no acceleration. if youre biased to a type of car that will take a 90 degree corner (that you wont run into on any normal road) better than another car, thats cool i guess. but acceleration is where its at. its fun to mash on the gas and rip up other cars at stop lights.
Like I said...if you've never driven a real sports car...in the environment it was ment to be driven, you won't understand. For anyone to say a Miata is not a sports car is an ignorant statement. The Miata is MORE of a sports car than a Vette. What makes a sports car a sports car isn't quantifiable by the sum of it's parts or what kind of numbers R&T gives it. Acceleration does NOT make a sports car. High cornering G's does NOT make a sports car. A triumph spitfire = sportscar, an old MG = sportscar. In my opinion if you don't see that, it's because your car life has been severely shaded.
Old 12-26-2003 | 07:58 AM
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no, i did not say that a miata is not a sports car. i said it is ignorant to say a sports car is not defined by acceleration, then turn around and say it is defined by its handling performance. it is defined by a combination of the two. ie the z06, not a miata.
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Originally posted by VTECnology
I'm sorry but I'll argue this point with anybody....An S2000 is without a doubt a sports car, and actually it's one of the most hardcore sports cars ever built. And to the original point of this thread....I like the way of the Japanese cars. To me there's more to a car than HP and torque. It's about making a car that the driver can connect with. You don't connect with a Mustang Cobra. You push the pedal and hang on for the ride. It sounds corny, but unless you've ever driven a real sports car you wouldn't understand. Mustang, Camaro, SRT-4, Firebird, Magnum concept...NOT a sports car. S2000, Miata, Mr2 spyder, Solstice concept, Elise.....sports car.
I think there is a very important fact that is kind of being over look though..... there is a huge difference between a SPORTS car and a MUSCLE car. A Honda S2000, BMW Z4, Nissan 350Z, and Chevrolet Corvette are all great examples of SPORTS cars. These cars aren't ALL nessecarily the fastest, but will handle great and have an all around good "package". And a sports car is NOT something thats front wheel drive with a turbo. Ya, they can be made fast, but you still have an fast econo-grocery getter. On the other hand, the Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro, Pontiac Trans Am and a few others are examples of MUSCLE cars. A muscle car is something that really was built with the intention of raw, brute, in the back of your seat power, not going around a corner. The new Mustang Cobra has made some strides at handling (ie IRS), but thats not really what it specializes in, this was more of a way of being competitive. And back on to the topic of the thread, I don't really know why there is a lack of import sports car and why the American manufacturers are stepping it up, but I know that a true sports car isn't a sooped up car that has absolutely no manufactured intentions of going fast.

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Old 12-26-2003 | 08:15 AM
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Ok so let me ask this...Whats more of a sports car? A Lotus Elise, or a Ferrari 575M?
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Originally posted by VTECnology
Ok so let me ask this...Whats more of a sports car? A Lotus Elise, or a Ferrari 575M?
Let me ask you this though.... if you have enough money to own either one who the fuck really cares?

Personally I like the 575M though
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I'm just asking which one would you consider more of a sports car?
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Thats a really tough decision. Without driving either one I really can't make a fair, unbiased opinion. Personally I would have to think that Ferrari would be better at the whole sports car thing, they're ONE of the best!

P.S. I'm not holding my breath on a test drive either
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Originally posted by VTECnology
Ok so let me ask this...Whats more of a sports car? A Lotus Elise, or a Ferrari 575M?
Ferrari

in my opinion a sports car is a combination of every angle of performance.
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A sports car is a car that is built with the sole intention on being driven hard all the time....the closer a car is to a purpose built race car...the more of a sports car it is. The less compromises a car makes straying from performance...the more of a sports car it is. The Ferrari 575M is one of the greatest Grand touring cars ever made....but not sports car. A lotus Elise is without a doubt in my mind the most hardcore sports car you can buy today.
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Originally posted by VTECnology
A sports car is a car that is built with the sole intention on being driven hard all the time....the closer a car is to a purpose built race car...the more of a sports car it is. The less compromises a car makes straying from performance...the more of a sports car it is. The Ferrari 575M is one of the greatest Grand touring cars ever made....but not sports car. A lotus Elise is without a doubt in my mind the most hardcore sports car you can buy today.
Okay, I think you made a valid point.... The Ford GT is a sports car, the Aston Martin Vanquish is a Grand Touring car (GT) in your definition....make since, I guess.

Wow, now we are talking about Muscle, Sports, and Grand Touring! LOL


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