Japanese Gymkhana
Originally Posted by spic
.. so it's Auto-X with different rules and a l33t JDM name?
Sorry, I'm just trying to get down with the 'in' crowd. Please don't take this as me being a dick, I'm really just curious as to why I'd do this rather that just go to an Auto-X run..
Sorry, I'm just trying to get down with the 'in' crowd. Please don't take this as me being a dick, I'm really just curious as to why I'd do this rather that just go to an Auto-X run..
The major difference between Auto crossing and Gymkhana is that in a Gymkhana event traction loss is highly recommended. Instead of trying to navigate the course without losing traction to get the best lap time a Gymkhana participant will navigate it while losing as much traction as possible! Drifting the turns is an integrated part of the event but it's still a race to log the fastest lap time. To be successful at a Gymkhana event you have to be able to integrate accurate and controlled drifting into a fundamentally sound driving technique.
Here's some insight as to how as good gymkhana course is set up:
original post made by Society Mike at the ziptied forums:
What makes a good course is one that equals the playing field for all cars. Equal amount of tight technical turns as there are quick straights. A good course layout may favor a certain car, but skill has a way of overcoming the favoritism.
Keep the courses in 1st and 2nd gear only. Only quick 2nd gear sections if any. Avoid accidents by having turns located with exits away from objects, add in "slow down" turns, just to keep speed down and the brain working. Not too many turns as to confuse everyone running it. Start with less turns in a course and work up to alot. (we run sometimes around 35+ turns in a small parking lot)
Make sure EVERYONE walks the course multiple times to memorize it before racing it. You should be able to know every single turn with your eyes closed before you go out there. After your done racing, you will remember the course layout months or years later. I actually remember alot of courses from even 3yrs ago.
Gymkhana is technical, not a display of speed and power. Of course, speed is important, it's all about the time, but the faster you go, the more mistakes you will make and the less safe it will be.
For RHD cars, have more right hand turns for safety. It's also more natural to turn that direction when sitting on that side of the car.
A good gymkhana course is not only the layout, but the people running it. They should all be paying attention and know the course by heart themselves. They should RED flag those who miscourse or drive wrecklessly and yellow flag those who hit cones and add 3 seconds to their time. It should be organized by class, either skill level or car class. There should be set times for each class to run. Confidence in the time keepers ability is also important. You don't need to be arguing over time. Stop watches work good on a budget Gymkhana, but when you have a bunch of really good drivers, an actual timing system with timing lights or infrared beams is needed. Every Gymkhana we have, there are about 5 of us that are withing thousands of a second from each others time.
Keep the courses in 1st and 2nd gear only. Only quick 2nd gear sections if any. Avoid accidents by having turns located with exits away from objects, add in "slow down" turns, just to keep speed down and the brain working. Not too many turns as to confuse everyone running it. Start with less turns in a course and work up to alot. (we run sometimes around 35+ turns in a small parking lot)
Make sure EVERYONE walks the course multiple times to memorize it before racing it. You should be able to know every single turn with your eyes closed before you go out there. After your done racing, you will remember the course layout months or years later. I actually remember alot of courses from even 3yrs ago.
Gymkhana is technical, not a display of speed and power. Of course, speed is important, it's all about the time, but the faster you go, the more mistakes you will make and the less safe it will be.
For RHD cars, have more right hand turns for safety. It's also more natural to turn that direction when sitting on that side of the car.
A good gymkhana course is not only the layout, but the people running it. They should all be paying attention and know the course by heart themselves. They should RED flag those who miscourse or drive wrecklessly and yellow flag those who hit cones and add 3 seconds to their time. It should be organized by class, either skill level or car class. There should be set times for each class to run. Confidence in the time keepers ability is also important. You don't need to be arguing over time. Stop watches work good on a budget Gymkhana, but when you have a bunch of really good drivers, an actual timing system with timing lights or infrared beams is needed. Every Gymkhana we have, there are about 5 of us that are withing thousands of a second from each others time.
So you want to go as fast as possible, while forcefully making yourself lose traction (which generally slows you down)?
edit: If this actually happens, I'll just come out, 'cause I have no idea wtf you kids are talking about.
edit: If this actually happens, I'll just come out, 'cause I have no idea wtf you kids are talking about.
Originally Posted by spic
So you want to go as fast as possible, while forcefully making yourself lose traction (which generally slows you down)?
edit: If this actually happens, I'll just come out, 'cause I have no idea wtf you kids are talking about.
edit: If this actually happens, I'll just come out, 'cause I have no idea wtf you kids are talking about.
Gymkhana courses are more about turning... a lot, which is why they can usually be held in smaller parking lots than what an auto-x course requires. Many of the turns are designed so that the best way to maintain momentum to acheive a good time is to drift/slide. If someone were to try to grip a gymkhana course, they'd find themselves using the brake quite often to slow down, and they would have a total time that would be noticeably slower than someone sliding where they need to slide, and gripping where they need to grip.
i'd be down to watch the event....i think it'd be enjoyable to watch everyone going sliding around in a church parking lot.
Last edited by Veritas; Oct 4, 2004 at 10:55 AM.
It's a variation. Use what skills you have to get a good time.
P.S. Good Find SoulD!
here's what i found at dgtrials.com
P.S. Good Find SoulD!
here's what i found at dgtrials.com
At first glance, a gymkhana looks like an autocross – cones, timing equipment, a pre-defined course, cars and drivers. This is where the similarities end. Gymkhana is more like an automotive obstacle course than an autocross. Where an autocross emphasizes fluid motion and finding the limits of traction without exceeding them to achieve the fastest time around a predefined course (much like a smaller version of a road racing circuit), gymkhana emphasizes course memorization, driving techniques and vehicle momentum. Complex, tight maps constructed in small areas guide drivers through 360s around pointer cones, loop-back slaloms and handbrake turns - the list of obstacles is long and the difficulty high. A winning gymkhana car could be a high powered rear drive car like a 240SX or RX7, but it could just as easily be a small and agile front drive car like a Mini Cooper or Honda Civic. Anything can happen at a gymkhana event, so preparation and a sharp mind are key because sometimes getting the course right is the most difficult part!
Oh, and gymkhanas are absolute clusterfucks when it comes to turns. If you don't have the course memorized, you will be so completely fucked.
If you want to see some examples of a gymkhana being run, go to ziptied.com, go to the media section, and download one of the gymkhana vids (I recommend the 'Kanetsu Gymkhana #2' video).
If you want to see some examples of a gymkhana being run, go to ziptied.com, go to the media section, and download one of the gymkhana vids (I recommend the 'Kanetsu Gymkhana #2' video).
Yeah, after seeing a video, no thanks. I'll break something, or run into the church. Those guys are insanely skilled for being able to mesmerize a course like that fairly easily.






