Vtecnology:

lol, it's pretty funny how an m3 isnt a "sports car" yet it will tear your S2000 a new one in every way possible. the meaning of "sports car" is irrelevent in my opinion. big deal, you can label your car as a "sports car." that means absolutely nothing. if a miata is a sports car and a z06 isnt... i'll pass on owning a sports car. its nice that your manual s2000 beat an automatic c5 in a tight auto-x course. but i wouldnt judge your opinion of c5s on that. because i can guarantee that if you put a decent driver behind a z06, or c5, it wouldnt get walked by your S.

and cut the "spoken like a true fbody owner" crap. the typical S2000 owner is a 55 year old male with a big ego... a big ego that us typical fbody owners like to deflate at every stop light possible.

back to the original topic, i dont think import companies will ever be able to get to the scale of 1/4 mile speed that domestic companies are taking it up to. the introduction of the 03 cobra settled that score, and its only getting faster. 10s with bolt-ons and tires = insane.

 

I could use a number of other cars to compare with other than an S2000..I just happen to own one so I use it as an example. Read the post above that post too....as I said an M3 is very very hard to place because of how well it does drive. I am in fact in the market to sell my S2000 and pick up either an M3 or an S4. Saying a car is not a sports car is NOT DOWNGRADING THE CAR AT ALL! Also, if you think that just because a Manufacturer offers driving courses that makes the car a sports car, you are seriously misinformed.

 

Well when i consider how they handle (having been in one), and the power of it, i think a training road course definately defines it as a sports car since its decent amount more (how do you say, "oompf") than your average inline-6. And to say that its not a sports car, when all of BMW's cars that are raced are run under M technology, i find it hard to believe that you can't see it as a sports car. And also considering that most sports cars reach 0-60 in 6 secs or under, i think its kinda fucked up, that Honda gives out times that dont reflect what that car actually does. Unless ive been misinformed, which im pretty sure i havent, you have to dump the clutch at 8G'z just to get a 0-60 time under 6 seconds. Thats not a sports car to me, that's money thrown down the drain. Would i take an S2000, sure. Would i purchase one, hell no.

Like i said, your opinion is well noted, but at this time, im going to have to find anything else you say irrelevant, because your opinions make no logical sense to me, or for anyone else for that matter.

As for the topic at hand, read the first post.

 

Let's talk e36 M3 vs. S2000 since they were at least REMOTELY in the same price range. You think the M3 will tear the S2000 a new asshole in every way possible? Do you not realize how close these two cars are in performance?? Almost identical. I'm not trying to turn this into an S2000 vs. the world discussion either. I just used it as an example. Read my post about the automatic vette again too, it was a drag race.
Yes you heard right, a Miata is a sports car, and a Z-06 vette isn't, that could be left to opinion though. A vette is very very close to being a sports car with just some minor engineering things overlooked, again, it is my OPINION that a vette is not and even I question that opinion somewhat. Anyway, what in God's name is your point? an old MG is a sports car and yet even a new Civic will beat it up.
What ego would you be deflating at a stoplight by racing an old guy in an S2000? an S2000 is not a muscle car. It's a 14 second car. most F bodies ave no problem running mid to low 13s stock. It's a different kind of car which I believe is the point of this whole thread.

I think the biggest problem is you guys thinking that by me saying that your car isn't a sports car that I'm downgrading your car. I'm not. Some of the most amazing cars in the world are not sports cars. Bugatti EB110, Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, Ferrari 575M, Aston Martin Vanquish...I could go on and on. For the sake of arguement I checked with my insurance company. Corvette = Sport coupe, M3 = sports coupe or sedan depending, Firebird = 2 door coupe, S2000 = sports car.

 

Christ almighty! ! at least Reuter makes sence. Because I have to dump the clutch at 8 grand makes my car NOT a sports car? NO genius, it makes it NOT a muscle car. I understand the point you are trying to make but you just don't know enough about cars in general yet to make it. For the record, there are two cars I am not going to argue over anymore. The M3 and the Vette, simply because in my opinion both of those cars are very close to being a full on sports car, and it's simply a matter of text book definition to me to say they aren't. I will say however that BMWs racing effort has nothing to do with making the street M3 considered a sports car. People race Nissan Sentras and that doesn't make a road going Sentra a sports car.

 

Sports cars are cars designed from the ground up, every single piece, to be driven at a race track. (S2000's being a perfect example)

A sports coupe/sedan/etc. are using current cars that are upgraded to be fast at a race track. (3-series BMW's being a perfect example)

This really isn't a difficult concept to understand.. seriously..

.. and fyi, 0-60 have very little to do with "sports car" status. Miata's are sports cars. '60's big block camaros/mustangs/etc. are not sports cars. they're not sport anything.

 

Thank you...I don't understand why this is such a hard concept

 

Sports car
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

There is no exact definition of a sports car, but it is typically a two-seater two-door automobile designed for performance - speed, maneuverability, acceleration. Often open, or convertible, but not necessarily. Some sports cars may have small emergency back seats that are really only suitable for luggage. A sports car never has four doors or a full back seat.

 

the e36 is massively DETUNED.....there is a lot more in that engine.....there are a couple e36 coupe m3s that have intake, exhaust and chip that are considerably faster than stock ones. ive had a few techs that have taken the cars for test drives that have said the lightly modded ones pulled almost as hard as the e46 m3s....which have stock 330 hp at the crank......the e36 m3 stock is about 240 at the crank if im not mistaken..

 

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