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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 06:33 AM
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spic im not tryin to get into a pissin contest over imports vs domestics.

l must not be goin by last year's experience with a Chevy Truck. damn 3500HD dually broke down almost every other day.

Hmm i was on site one day and i parked right out in some dirt, and it started to rain,

well 5 hours later and constant raining, i went out to the truck to move it, and started

her up and put into gear, and started to move, and WHammo, rear end blew the fuck

up, mind u this was a 2004 3500HD dually, with 120k miles, but still it should not have

blown up jus cuz i tried to drive out of a mud pit.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 00civichatch
I like many of the respectable v8/rwd cars on here but I personally have no respect for the engineering designs of the cars ( from the factory ).
please explain this to all of us. LS1 is an all aluminum 6-bolt main 347 underrated at 300hp. LT1 is a reverse cooled aluminum head sbc making 275hp from the factory. chevy utilized the same transmission used in dodge vipers on the f-body and corvette (a few different parts, same tranny.) c6 z06 uses a dry sump oiling system... from the factory. I know of zero run of the mill imports available to the US that can compare in any way to the amount of r&d and engineering that have been put into the f-body (RIP) and mustang.

Originally Posted by fc735
there has been no real hp wars since 1969.


ever.
na, this thing ford and chevy have going on is pretty intense. it's on a different level than the cars that were being pumped out in 1969 (camaros coming with aftermarket headers in the trunk etc.) but with the new cobras, GTOs, Z06, GT, C6, and a few others, there is a lot of high powered cars being released to the public. how many cars in the sixties rolled off the lot capable of running 11s and 12s?

Originally Posted by Moriar
Im sorry but ive never heard of chevy being reliable...

isnt it true that their diffs tend to blow up?

never heard of such a thing with a 240...

Comfortable? doubt it, my 240 is pretty damn comfortable, Kirkey Intermediate seat w/cover is pretty damn comfortable to me.

every domestic i have sat in was too short on head room, seats dont adjust right for me.
hahahaha

ive purchased and torn down a s13 as a hopeful drag project and it was not comfortable, the interior was not nice at all, shifter was in a strange location. theyre good cars, but please dont even try to compare a 4th generation f-body to your 240sx when it comes to straight line performance. mod for mod an s13 might take a 4g f-body in a tight autocross, but there would be no ass whipping like if you lined the two up on the strip.

ps the factory seats that came in my Z adjust more ways than 240sx seats do.

Originally Posted by ritz
Wait a second. Reliable. Dude a rearend will only grenade usually when you throw some slicks/DR's on it and tend to do clutch dumps. It doesn't just go as your riding down the road. Other than that LS1's have no problems. That's not the car's fault that GM decided to put a 7.5" 10 bolt in a car that makes 300RWHP in bone stock form. The spider gears break in the rearend because it's too small to handle the power.
haha oh shit i thought Tito bought a Trans Am i busted up laughing for a second

and yea you are on the right track and im sure you meant to say it, but it is the ring gear teeth that usually fail on GM 7.5" rears due to the gear's small diameter. a properly set up 7.5" will survive some abuse though. my rear is a zexel posi / strange 4.10 with a girdle and ive got no slippage, no metal in the fluid, nothin. ive been through one "rear" and it was a problem the car was having when purchased. the spiders were slipping because they were pretty worn down (130,000 miles) so i stuck another rear in and have beaten on it several times with no breakage.

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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by reuter
I know of zero run of the mill imports available to the US that can compare in any way to the amount of r&d and engineering that have been put into the f-body (RIP) and mustang.
I don't like choosing sides but, damn. Without putting 2 seconds of thought into this the Evo and STi come to mind. Is the Mustang or f-body an engineering marvel? Does weight ratio or suspension count? What about truck-like interiors?

edit: you should try S14 seats in your S13. Much better.

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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Moriar
For 5400 (12 months) i made a 240sx with a respectable 345whp, weighin it at 2700lbs,
What setup?
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by eeterp
I don't like choosing sides but, damn. Without putting 2 seconds of thought into this the Evo and STi come to mind. Is the Mustang or f-body an engineering marvel? Does weight ratio or suspension count? What about truck-like interiors?

edit: you should try S14 seats in your S13. Much better.
are you seriously fucking saying that the interior of a Evo is better than that of a Mustang or F-body. Holy shit, I've heard everything.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 08:00 AM
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you should try S14 seats in your S13. Much better.
This should be added to the Bible.
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Originally Posted by XCELR8
are you seriously fucking saying that the interior of a Evo is better than that of a Mustang or F-body. Holy shit, I've heard everything.
Try not to cry too hard Brock, it's okay.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by blaxican25
Try not to cry too hard Brock, it's okay.
I'll do my best, its just soo hard sometimes... *wipe tears*
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by eeterp
Is the Mustang or f-body an engineering marvel? Does weight ratio or suspension count? What about truck-like interiors?

edit: you should try S14 seats in your S13. Much better.
Evo Interior:



SS Interior:



STI Interior:



03 Cobra Interior:



The STI is supposed to be a rally car out of the box, and, as expected, has the best interior. Next comes the 03 Cobra. The EVO and the SS are a toss up. truck interior... lol

And a camaro isnt some auto-cross wonder. But it does hold its own. An 01 SLP SS (very common package) pulls .91 Gs on a skidpad, has 335bhp along with a 0-60 time of 5.2. those skidpad numbers beat out a 350Z and are the same as an RX8. This is all coming from a solid rear axle car that is severely overpowered.
Old Jun 8, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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I prefer Recaros


For the record, there are several iterations of the mustang and camaro I do like. But don't tell me that either is the result of R&D not found on several capable imports.

This is on the verge of a performance/$ debate.



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