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Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBake
The GT has a V6 option, that LY7 motor is a Holden motor, go look up the history behind it.
You are partly right and so was I. It was a joint effort between cadillac and holden.


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You keep stating Pontiac is an upgraded Chevy, which is false. Pontiac is a mid level division and that is all, it has nothing to do with shared components from a subordinate division.
Because that is what Pontiac is. That is why GM created Pontiac. A higher end car with more performance. aimed towards the younger generation with a heavy foot. basically adding nicer seats and a better tune.
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBake
Ignorance is not name calling, it is an observations made upon an individual that is poorly informed, claiming ignorance does not make you any less of a person, it just states the obvious that you lack the information to make an informed statement. Sorry to hear about your sensitivity, I have kept it simple to knucklehead, which I have found has less sting than the following: dumbass, idiot, stupid fuck, moron, fuckstick, and so on….
your so kind.
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBake
He specifically stated “All Pontiacs share Chevy engines and body parts”, that is incorrect, because currently only one model exists that was a Chevy design that was adopted by Pontiac.
...okay, you're trying, but it's not working. He said "share," just like you said above. He didn't say "steal" or "take" or "adopted." He said "share," which implies that they use the same parts. So...Cobalt to G5. They share body parts, engines, drivetrain, etc. You're STILL introducing bits and pieces to a statement you made which was, simply, that only one Pontiac shares body parts with a Chevrolet. This is FALSE. The fact that you keep dodging it is...inconceivable!

So...will you admit that Pontiac shares body parts with Chevrolet on two models now?
Originally Posted by BigBake
There is not just one Astra there are several models, Opel makes sedans, 5 door, and coupes, depending on the model you will find the platform that goes with it. The Opel Astra G/B is a re-badged G5/Cobalt/Holden Astra/Satrun Astra/Vauxhill Astra……..
There is no Astra sedan, only a 3-door, 5-door, MPV, wagon, and drop-top. The coupe is not a re-badge. Their designs are entirely different. Like I said...T Platform, not Delta Platform.

Vauxhall / Holden / Opel / Saturn: Astra - T Platform
Pontiac / Chevrolet/ Saturn: G5/Cobalt/Ion (no longer in production) - Delta Platform
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:33 AM
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i dont know why youre agruing with big bake

seriously, you wont win
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:34 AM
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i dont know why youre agruing with big bake

seriously, you wont win
I was just going to post the SAME thing.
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by XCELR8
I was just going to post the SAME thing.
So far, bigbake's ability to introduce outside variables and red herrings into an argument has surpassed every other person I've ever argued with in my entire life.

Is bigbake female? That would explain a lot.
Old Mar 21, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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...okay, you're trying, but it's not working. He said "share," just like you said above. He didn't say "steal" or "take" or "adopted." He said "share," which implies that they use the same parts. So...Cobalt to G5. They share body parts, engines, drivetrain, etc. You're STILL introducing bits and pieces to a statement you made which was, simply, that only one Pontiac shares body parts with a Chevrolet. This is FALSE. The fact that you keep dodging it is...inconceivable!
Shared is not the problem, specifically stating that one thing is direct property of the division of Chevrolet is…. Get with it, it is not that hard to comprehend.


So...will you admit that Pontiac shares body parts with Chevrolet on two models now?
Nope, I will stick to it that the Equinox is a direct Chevy product that was adopted for use by Pontiac and re-badged as such.

There is no Astra sedan, only a 3-door, 5-door, MPV, wagon, and drop-top. The coupe is not a re-badge. Their designs are entirely different. Like I said...T Platform, not Delta Platform.

Vauxhall / Holden / Opel / Saturn: Astra - T Platform
Pontiac / Chevrolet/ Saturn: G5/Cobalt/Ion (no longer in production) - Delta Platform
What is this thing then?



Why does it look like this G5 sedan?



Weird it appears to be similar to this Cobalt sedan also...

Old Mar 21, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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Shared is not the problem, specifically stating that one thing is direct property of the division of Chevrolet is…. Get with it, it is not that hard to comprehend.
He never said that. What?

Originally Posted by BigBake
Nope, I will stick to it that the Equinox is a direct Chevy product that was adopted for use by Pontiac and re-badged as such.
You didn't answer my question. Do the G5 and Cobalt share body styles, or do they not? That's all I'm asking.

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What is this thing then?

[img]http://www.automotoportal.com/media/images/vijesti/061103001.2.jpg[img]

Why does it look like this G5 sedan?

[img]https://kijiji.ebayimg.com/i24/06/k/000/79/0a/f3a4_20.JPG?set_id=1C4000[img]

Weird it appears to be similar to this Cobalt sedan also...

[img]http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9625_image.jpg[img]
Whoa, an Astra sedan developed specifically for central and eastern European markets in late 2007. Fascinating. I stand corrected. And it appears to be using the Delta now.

Regardless, that has nothing do to with my original statement.

EDIT: Looking at it again, it doesn't look like it shares a single body panel except the front doors. Maybe the roof, but I can't tell. Everything else is different.

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Egads! I stand corrected again. Apparently this Astra sedan has been available in Brazil as a Chevrolet since late 2006.

That's what you get when you hear "Opel Astra Sedan" and check Opel's German website (where the sedan doesn't appear at all).
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Originally Posted by BigBake
Shared is not the problem, specifically stating that one thing is direct property of the division of Chevrolet is…. Get with it, it is not that hard to comprehend.




Nope, I will stick to it that the Equinox is a direct Chevy product that was adopted for use by Pontiac and re-badged as such.



What is this thing then?



Why does it look like this G5 sedan?



Weird it appears to be similar to this Cobalt sedan also...

Ok seriously I am confused now. I have been trying to say that they are all the same platform. As well as the same engine which was designed by GM, and you just proved me right. Unless I am missing something here?



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