yea i could care less about ford helping our economy, there closing down three factories and making one big one in mexico..so when ppl complain about me buying a nissan and not "spending my money where i make it" i give them a lil insight on some of this stuff.

 

I think that what Dave is trying to say is this.

All companies that produce vehicles know that their product will cause deaths. They are inherently dangerous. Ford however, is documented as having produced at least 3 vehicles that they knew had a serious fatal flaw. Most companies upon recognizing a large dangerous problem will re-engineer. Ford chose instead to go ahead with the design despite knowing specifically what the problem was. They made the conscious decision to produce a problem they knew existed. Dave's point was that although, yes every car company has had some horrible flaws, most of them did not intentionally build them that way. The problems were discovered after release. This is my take on what he finds reprehensible about the Ford motor company.

Now all that being said. Is Ford a sinking ship? Maybe. Kind of. But not really. Ford will attempt restructuring. They will probably trim their line. They will probably sell off a few divisions. They will probably do something drastic to their models to strike interest. They will probably outsource a lot of work to Mexico, beyond just the Focus. All of that failing, the Government will bail them out. Ford is an American icon. The Government will never let Ford go under. Ford is not a Buick, or an Eagle, or an AMC. They are far more iconic then even Chevy in American history. There will always be a Ford in the United States.

 

Do they really? Think about it. Honda's just to name one are made here in the US by americans...for now...and bought by more americans than most people would like to think, or even even want to know. The differents between Corp Honda and Corp Ford, is that Honda has it's hands in more than they tell you.

Because most americans are quite lazy and think that our shit doesn't stink while the imports companies are kicking our economic asses.

Even if Ford folds, it will hardly be noticed in the large picture. The economy will not tank. Ford is such a small factor in such a large system. Beside...if you could no lorger buy a Ford, you would drive a few minutes more down the road to buy some other overpriced gas suckin SUV.
If you notice, big american in their laziness is moving more towards commercial than industrial anyways.

To much as Paul said...The feds will not let Ford die. They've bailed out Chrysler and the Airlines...what makes you think they would turn their backs on Ford?

 

That's what I was trying to get across, but I still find it hard to believe that other car companies haven't done the same thing

 

What about the idiots that bought and continued to drive the vehicles in question after they knew the problems? Is that still Ford's fault? I mean, they're still Pinto's out there being driven and plenty of Explorer's.

If they knowingly released deathtraps, so be it. Just about every car on the road is a death trap. Cigarette companies but out cancer sticks by the billions daily with people knowing the affects from them. The people did not have to buy and continue driving the vehicles after all the negative press, thats there own fault.

Now that you've talked about the horrible things Ford has done by releasing 3 different vehicles, why not take a moment to see all the good they have done for the country and economy. You can use Google, I don't need to point it all out.

 

Maybe Fords biggest fault is knowing too much about their own vehicles. I mean How come people are killed more often in so many other manufacturers vehicles then Fords. Are the other manufacturers just not testing their vehicles to the extent that Ford does, because they don't want to know how dangerous they are? Maybe they are better at hiding theier documentation about problems.

 

This is just kind of biased silliness. I understand that both you and Mad Dohc are big ford fans. You will both defend your brand. I really don't think it's fair to say that so many people are killed in non fords. Because there are so many cars other then fords out there. On the over all picture, I doubt that Fords safety record is much better or worse then any car company that has been around that long. He is not saying that Fords are unsafe vehicles. He is not saying anything about the actual quality of the cars. He is saying that the company was run by unethical people. People who chose dollars over safety issues that they could have prevented. Those people would have made the same decision working at any car company. The reason it is being laid upon Ford as a whole, rather then on the individuals responsible is because Ford is still very much a family owned company. The family made those horrible decisions, the company is part of the family.

 

Your right, every car company has made that decision. It's not just "those" people either. I'm sure every company has at least one car on the road right now that could have been made safer in some way by spending a little extra money and they didn't. Some call that unethical while some call it business. Do you think al the car companies out now have not cut corners someway, somewhere to make more of the almighty dollar? If you do you're a fool.

 

GM isn't ahead of toyota, their sales went down increadibly last year. i did a report on them

 

and Nissan fixed my dad's truck free of charge, and provided him with another Titan to drive around in the mean time