Ok just a general question here about LS/VTEC setups. Wich head generalmakes more power, and why, with a LS/VTEC build?

B16a1
B16a2
B16b1
B18c1
B18c5

 

If im right. the gsr head has better factory cams but the b16 is a better head in all. the itr head is a semi built b16 head w/ a lil P&P . Thats what i belive i was told. so if im wrong someone correct me. CTR and ITR SHOULD be the same

 

the B16B and the C5 heads are the best heads to go with. But you have a better chance winning mega-millions than finding an actual CTR head. Haha.

So see if you can pick up a C5, if not, a B16A head will suffice.

 

People usually use a b16 or gs-r head, because most of the time they are changing out the cams anyways.

If your all motor.. you can make 200whp without a ported head(I.E. Stock Gs-r or B16 head) with the correct cam, compression and header.

 

The head. Let's first start off with your choices. There are B16 heads, ITR heads, and GSR heads. IMO, it is never worth buying an ITR head, if you plan on upgrading the springs/retainers/cams anyway. They are amazing heads from the factory, but B16/GSR heads can be had and built for far less. ITR/B16/92-93 GSR heads are built from the same exact casts (PR3), while 94+ GSR heads are built from a different cast (P72) which is why the intake manifold bolt pattern is different (from here on, 92-93 GSR heads will be referred to as B16 heads). ITR heads have a slight hand port job on the intake side from the factory. They also have stiffer dual valve springs, as well as slightly higher lift/longer duration cams and lighter valves. If you want to make more than 200whp with your lsvtec build, you are going to need better cams and springs/retainers anyway...so do you see why it's just not worth the $1000-1200 price tag on used ITR heads? The question you SHOULD ask is, should I get a GSR or B16 head? Tough question. Here's the deal...B16 heads share the same bolt pattern as ITR's for the intake manifold. They are easier to find aftermarket intake manifolds for than GSR heads, as well as being able to bolt on an ITR manifold. However, GSR heads have a distinct advantage over B16/ITR heads. Although having slightly smaller combustion chambers that raise compression is an advantage, it is the reason why it raises compression, that is the REAL advantage. You see, GSR heads employ flat surfaces on the intake and exhaust side of the combustion chamber called "quench" pads. They do raise compression, but the real advantage is this design's ability to ward off detonation, promote better flame travel, and aid in cooling. Beware though, if you plan on running a GSR head with CTR pistons, there is not much room for mistakes. The clearances are tight. I wouldn't personally run that combination w/ stock cast pistons anyway. So keep that in mind. I personally like the combustion chamber design of the GSR head better. But, I also like the ability to be able to run a P73 (ITR) intake manifold on the B16 head. Now that you can see the advantages of both heads, it's really a toss-up. It's your decision, go with the one that fits your needs.



my source.

I bolded some of the information, I found helpful.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1676914

 

For some reason I thought the Type R head had slightly different valves as well.

 

Just a small addition: You're not going to be able to rev a LS/VTEC up into the range where a CTR/ITR head will make it's best power, so it's a useless waste of money IMO. Some light work on a B16 head will save you a lot of money and will net the same results in the end.

 

Why not? So your saying the 1906190568906892083690286 people who have done ls/vtecs waste their money?

 

No, I'm saying that using a B16 head for an LS/VTEC setup is the more sensible choice than a CTR/ITR head.

 

IMO a ctr/itr head is worthless if your trying to make any power all motor.

Thats just my own opinion. I'd rather get a good b16 head and have someone port it.