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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LLama
Some people feel they have the right to judge? That isn't an argument... some people think they have the right to kill all jewish people in the 1940s, some people think they have the right to enslave black people.... is that even a good attempt to be excused for doing it? No.

You reep what you sow... where did the eye for an eye idea even come from? The old testament; most of America claims to be "Christian"... Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and understanding.

As far as people "taking things into their own hands in the past"... I never said that was right either... I'd describe that is irresponsible and an injustice.
Who are you and what the fuck did you do with Llama???????????
Old Aug 21, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Who are you and what the fuck did you do with Llama???????????
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LLama
Some people feel they have the right to judge? That isn't an argument... some people think they have the right to kill all jewish people in the 1940s, some people think they have the right to enslave black people.... is that even a good attempt to be excused for doing it? No.
It wasn't an argument you mammal! It was just an answer lol..

Originally Posted by LLama
You reep what you sow... where did the eye for an eye idea even come from? The old testament; most of America claims to be "Christian"... Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and understanding.

As far as people "taking things into their own hands in the past"... I never said that was right either... I'd describe that is irresponsible and an injustice.
Read the Bible some more.. People have the right to take a life in certain situations..
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Read the Bible some more.. People have the right to take a life in certain situations..
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LLama
Post up.
Alrighty.. I don't think I will ever find the passages concerning taking human life in certain situations without a ton of research, so..

'Whoever takes the life of any human being shall be put to death' - Leviticus 24:17

You can't get anymore direct than that.. interpretation differences are hard to argue here..

EDIT: I know exactly what you are going to remark with however
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Some more:

'...Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.' - Genesis 4:14/15

'Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.' - Genesis 9:6
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Originally Posted by ZeRo_c0oL@work
Are you deaf, dumb, mute, and blind? lol.. It's been ALL OVER the news today, and it's even on CNN. You haven't seen any of the news about what happened?
Well I don't listen very well, my vision is 80/40, and I failed out first year in college. So yes, I am. I've been at school all day, so I didn't hear shit until I saw it in the paper.
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Some more:

'...Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.' - Genesis 4:14/15

'Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.' - Genesis 9:6
Originally Posted by LLama
You reep what you sow... where did the eye for an eye idea even come from? The old testament; most of America claims to be "Christian"... Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and understanding.
The holy bible.... Christianity.... what separates them from Jews? The acceptance of Jesus Christ, whose teachings were more important than OT law which is usually twisted to act however "Christians" want to. Furthermore, who's to say the "Vengeance" won't be taken by God and not man?

As Jesus was being crucified, he prayed for his persecuters, claiming it wasn't their fault... for they did not know they were doing.

Jesus taught love, forgiveness, acceptance.. not hatred, vengeance, or vindictiveness.
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For real, he should be killed. The death penalty is not to teach others killing is wrong. We kill people all the time as a country. Its to punish the wrong doers. Why should you be able to kill someone and then get out of jail? Why should the people waste money on worthless fucking people?

When it happens to your family you will change your mind. My grandpa was killed in cold blood, shot in the heart by a next door neighor for no apparently good reason. He stands to maybe get out next year. How the fuck is that right?

An eye for an eye can be taken to extremes, but is actually a good thing. When Hammurabi's code was in power, how well behaved do you think the people acted? Being strict teaches good lessons. Most kids with strict parents are well-behaved.
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Originally Posted by rotorsownyou7
For real, he should be killed. The death penalty is not to teach others killing is wrong. We kill people all the time as a country. Its to punish the wrong doers. Why should you be able to kill someone and then get out of jail? Why should the people waste money on worthless fucking people?

When it happens to your family you will change your mind. My grandpa was killed in cold blood, shot in the heart by a next door neighor for no apparently good reason. He stands to maybe get out next year. How the fuck is that right?

An eye for an eye can be taken to extremes, but is actually a good thing. When Hammurabi's code was in power, how well behaved do you think the people acted? Being strict teaches good lessons. Most kids with strict parents are well-behaved.
Life in jail, no parole, fine. The point of punishment isn't to kill, it's to rehabilitate. The person had no right to take your grandfather's life, but no one has a right to take his life either. Let him sit in jail, and think long and hard of what he did... maybe he will truly change and can help others... managing a library or something in there... Maybe he won't, and he'll die after a long life of mental torture. I'm all for life in jail, I'm not for the death penalty though. Taking someones life crosses the line of punishment.

You must understand also, people are the way they are because of their background. If you had lived the life of the guy that shot your grandfather, had been taught no different, had been used/abused so much you had no value for others lives, had no parents possibly, maybe you could kill an innocent person also.

The early developmental stages of a child can REALLY screw them up at the core. All children aren't given the same chance, and those less fortunate typically never do well. Lots of people never had a chance from the beginning. Sure, as an adult, it's our responsibility to make choices... but if you're mentally abused, or just in an awful environment as a child, you usually aren't capable of making good judgement.... you're capable of survival instict, and that's it... almost like animals in a way. Please, try to sympathize for people and understand them.



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