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This is very true, and I have heard the argument before that Jesus would have not wanted humans to to kill other humans for justice. But what should we do? Where does it say we should just jail them instead of killing them? Isn't that the same kind of thing?
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The holy bible.... Christianity.... what separates them from Jews? The acceptance of Jesus Christ, whose teachings were more important than OT law which is usually twisted to act however "Christians" want to. Furthermore, who's to say the "Vengeance" won't be taken by God and not man?
As Jesus was being crucified, he prayed for his persecuters, claiming it wasn't their fault... for they did not know they were doing.
Jesus taught love, forgiveness, acceptance.. not hatred, vengeance, or vindictiveness.
As Jesus was being crucified, he prayed for his persecuters, claiming it wasn't their fault... for they did not know they were doing.
Jesus taught love, forgiveness, acceptance.. not hatred, vengeance, or vindictiveness.
Llama, since Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and acceptance, which he did, I want you to follow his example on this forum from this moment forward.
Lets have a scenerio here, I want your opinion.. Assume you are 100% Christian, you live your life devoted to God, much more than the average "Sunday only Christian." You live in the southeast US, so hunting is the norm, you have several guns, even a shotgun.. You have a wife and two kids. You live in the suburbs, nice area, rather nice house. On this particular night your wife gets up because the kids won't sleep, so she sleeps in their room the rest of the night. This same night, a bad guy comes in to steal your stuff, realizes you are all sleeping in the house, and the robbery turns into a rape/murder. He rapes and murders your wife, then turns to your kids, you hear some commotion and you wake up to go check on the kids and help your wife out if she needs some help putting them to sleep. You peek in the door and see your wife bleeding to death on the floor, and the robber getting ready to kill your children.. Do you go get your shotgun and kill the bad guy? Do you kneel down right there and pray to God because this man is not a Christian and deserves to be forgiven?
I would say you would do the first..
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Life in jail, no parole, fine. The point of punishment isn't to kill, it's to rehabilitate. The person had no right to take your grandfather's life, but no one has a right to take his life either. Let him sit in jail, and think long and hard of what he did... maybe he will truly change and can help others... managing a library or something in there... Maybe he won't, and he'll die after a long life of mental torture. I'm all for life in jail, I'm not for the death penalty though. Taking someones life crosses the line of punishment.
You must understand also, people are the way they are because of their background. If you had lived the life of the guy that shot your grandfather, had been taught no different, had been used/abused so much you had no value for others lives, had no parents possibly, maybe you could kill an innocent person also.
The early developmental stages of a child can REALLY screw them up at the core. All children aren't given the same chance, and those less fortunate typically never do well. Lots of people never had a chance from the beginning. Sure, as an adult, it's our responsibility to make choices... but if you're mentally abused, or just in an awful environment as a child, you usually aren't capable of making good judgement.... you're capable of survival instict, and that's it... almost like animals in a way. Please, try to sympathize for people and understand them.
You must understand also, people are the way they are because of their background. If you had lived the life of the guy that shot your grandfather, had been taught no different, had been used/abused so much you had no value for others lives, had no parents possibly, maybe you could kill an innocent person also.
The early developmental stages of a child can REALLY screw them up at the core. All children aren't given the same chance, and those less fortunate typically never do well. Lots of people never had a chance from the beginning. Sure, as an adult, it's our responsibility to make choices... but if you're mentally abused, or just in an awful environment as a child, you usually aren't capable of making good judgement.... you're capable of survival instict, and that's it... almost like animals in a way. Please, try to sympathize for people and understand them.
My neighbor told me a story once where he had a friend that was fired from his job and was in huge debt. He was also having problems with his wife. He looked for a job for a long time but could not find one. He told my neighbor once that it was funny because you could kill someone and live the rest of your life unbothered, worry free, and fed. He later killed his wife and acted like it wasn't his fault and he didn't mean too. My neighbor said he knew what happened. To get out of debt and become worry free, he killed his wife and went to jail. Never had to work or do anything again.
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holy shit thats nuts
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Just think long and hard about life and how precious it is. Life is something that NOTHING else can compare to... I'm sure you'll reach a conclusion that values life more than anything.
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I can agree, because you are right, but certain things are justifiable, we could argue both extremes ALL day.
Llama, since Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and acceptance, which he did, I want you to follow his example on this forum from this moment forward.
Lets have a scenerio here, I want your opinion.. Assume you are 100% Christian, you live your life devoted to God, much more than the average "Sunday only Christian." You live in the southeast US, so hunting is the norm, you have several guns, even a shotgun.. You have a wife and two kids. You live in the suburbs, nice area, rather nice house. On this particular night your wife gets up because the kids won't sleep, so she sleeps in their room the rest of the night. This same night, a bad guy comes in to steal your stuff, realizes you are all sleeping in the house, and the robbery turns into a rape/murder. He rapes and murders your wife, then turns to your kids, you hear some commotion and you wake up to go check on the kids and help your wife out if she needs some help putting them to sleep. You peek in the door and see your wife bleeding to death on the floor, and the robber getting ready to kill your children.. Do you go get your shotgun and kill the bad guy? Do you kneel down right there and pray to God because this man is not a Christian and deserves to be forgiven?
I would say you would do the first..
Llama, since Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and acceptance, which he did, I want you to follow his example on this forum from this moment forward.
Lets have a scenerio here, I want your opinion.. Assume you are 100% Christian, you live your life devoted to God, much more than the average "Sunday only Christian." You live in the southeast US, so hunting is the norm, you have several guns, even a shotgun.. You have a wife and two kids. You live in the suburbs, nice area, rather nice house. On this particular night your wife gets up because the kids won't sleep, so she sleeps in their room the rest of the night. This same night, a bad guy comes in to steal your stuff, realizes you are all sleeping in the house, and the robbery turns into a rape/murder. He rapes and murders your wife, then turns to your kids, you hear some commotion and you wake up to go check on the kids and help your wife out if she needs some help putting them to sleep. You peek in the door and see your wife bleeding to death on the floor, and the robber getting ready to kill your children.. Do you go get your shotgun and kill the bad guy? Do you kneel down right there and pray to God because this man is not a Christian and deserves to be forgiven?
I would say you would do the first..
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I can agree, because you are right, but certain things are justifiable, we could argue both extremes ALL day.
Llama, since Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and acceptance, which he did, I want you to follow his example on this forum from this moment forward.
Lets have a scenerio here, I want your opinion.. Assume you are 100% Christian, you live your life devoted to God, much more than the average "Sunday only Christian." You live in the southeast US, so hunting is the norm, you have several guns, even a shotgun.. You have a wife and two kids. You live in the suburbs, nice area, rather nice house. On this particular night your wife gets up because the kids won't sleep, so she sleeps in their room the rest of the night. This same night, a bad guy comes in to steal your stuff, realizes you are all sleeping in the house, and the robbery turns into a rape/murder. He rapes and murders your wife, then turns to your kids, you hear some commotion and you wake up to go check on the kids and help your wife out if she needs some help putting them to sleep. You peek in the door and see your wife bleeding to death on the floor, and the robber getting ready to kill your children.. Do you go get your shotgun and kill the bad guy? Do you kneel down right there and pray to God because this man is not a Christian and deserves to be forgiven?
I would say you would do the first..
Llama, since Jesus taught love, forgiveness, and acceptance, which he did, I want you to follow his example on this forum from this moment forward.
Lets have a scenerio here, I want your opinion.. Assume you are 100% Christian, you live your life devoted to God, much more than the average "Sunday only Christian." You live in the southeast US, so hunting is the norm, you have several guns, even a shotgun.. You have a wife and two kids. You live in the suburbs, nice area, rather nice house. On this particular night your wife gets up because the kids won't sleep, so she sleeps in their room the rest of the night. This same night, a bad guy comes in to steal your stuff, realizes you are all sleeping in the house, and the robbery turns into a rape/murder. He rapes and murders your wife, then turns to your kids, you hear some commotion and you wake up to go check on the kids and help your wife out if she needs some help putting them to sleep. You peek in the door and see your wife bleeding to death on the floor, and the robber getting ready to kill your children.. Do you go get your shotgun and kill the bad guy? Do you kneel down right there and pray to God because this man is not a Christian and deserves to be forgiven?
I would say you would do the first..
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I don't like you signature, the point of that saying to to prevent conflict/violence in the first place, not to promote retaliation..
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I completely understand, and I really hate things like that. I understand that things in a child's life sriously plays a role in what they do. But what about the ones that aren't like that? How do you know? If you make a decision in your life to kill someone, 99% of the time they know what is going on. Do you think people are going to kill more people if they know they aren't going to live?
My neighbor told me a story once where he had a friend that was fired from his job and was in huge debt. He was also having problems with his wife. He looked for a job for a long time but could not find one. He told my neighbor once that it was funny because you could kill someone and live the rest of your life unbothered, worry free, and fed. He later killed his wife and acted like it wasn't his fault and he didn't mean too. My neighbor said he knew what happened. To get out of debt and become worry free, he killed his wife and went to jail. Never had to work or do anything again.
My neighbor told me a story once where he had a friend that was fired from his job and was in huge debt. He was also having problems with his wife. He looked for a job for a long time but could not find one. He told my neighbor once that it was funny because you could kill someone and live the rest of your life unbothered, worry free, and fed. He later killed his wife and acted like it wasn't his fault and he didn't mean too. My neighbor said he knew what happened. To get out of debt and become worry free, he killed his wife and went to jail. Never had to work or do anything again.