You said above Jesus taught forgiveness. How is isolating someone for the rest of their life forgiveness? Do you think letting them live to think about what they have done is making their life less painful than just ending it then?

If an animal is dying do you put it out of its misery or let it live a life of pain?

Have you ever read the words of the people who are put to death? I don't know how many times the people say the same things. I remember reading about some gang members who raped 2 16 year-old girls. The girls told the police and one of the gang members found the girls and killed them both, and then killed one of the girl's brother and mother. In the chair he yelled, "Thats what them stupid ass bitches deserved!" He then yelled out his gang name and other things. They had to kill him ahead of schedule to keep from really upsetting the others in the room.

 

Which separates Jesus from any other human. He isn't special for no reason.

What? That statement was made to PREVENT retaliation and conflict in general... how the hell did you get "promotion of retaliation" out of that?

 

How do you know? And is what he done alright? Should he be forgiven for what he done, even though he knew exactly what was going on?

 

Jesus does teach ultimate forgiveness emotionally related, however, punishment MUST exist to teach right from wrong, but the limitations of that should never reach death. (The bible does teach "chasing of children.")... fit punishment.

If the animal has a stick through it's abdomen, the ideal thing would be to do anything you can to help it until it died naturally. Will most people? No, because they value money more than the animals' life. However, if an animal is suffering from mental complications and is just completely wild... perhaps biting its own tail to sores, it still has its own value of life, so it isn't our place to kill it. Furthermore, a human that is capable of logic and such high brain functions as humans can't be compared to animals in the mental aspect.

As I stated previously, some people are beyond help, and never will "get better." Should we kill them? No, because I can guarantee they had a pure life of hell leading up to their actions.. or they probably wouldn't have done it. There's many degrees and types of abuse that screw people up... and hardly do we EVER know the whole story.

There is GOOD in every man. We must let them live their natural life hoping something invokes that GOOD in man, regardless of whether he's restrained behind bars and can do anything with it.

 

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi

Think about how stupid that really is... Thats almost like saying you shouldn't punish people for their actions. An eye for an eye was pobably the greatest law ever. It taught not to fuck around, or you got fucked. Take kids for example. Which kids are well-behaved and which are in juvenile hall? The kids with parents who are strict and punish/whip their kids, or the ones who get drunk and don't give a shit what the kids do?

 

Forgiveness should be the ultimate goal of those who were affected, but as humans, it probably won't be. Should he be released back into society? No, because I don't believe that he can life among society with such mental instability... he probably would kill someone, or hurt himself.

 

I wish I could believe that.

 

It's more oriented around the death sentence and everyday dealings to me, rather than punishment in general. I certainly believe in punishment, and I am ALL for longer jail sentences under most cases for the safety of society.

If you break a window with a baseball, is your parent going to bust a window with your face? No. If you urinate on your classmate, is your parent going to urinate on you? No. An eye for an eye is never the solution... Humane punishments will be much more affective, they teach right from wrong, but show a level of love and complexity over the rule-breaker... which is why I'm all for long jail sentences.

 

No child is born without love for their parents. As I said, mental conditions are to blame for most criminals. They may be fully aware of what they're doing, but if they can justify taking someones life... I do consider them mentally ill and not able to differentiate between right and wrong, as held by normal human standards. Like the thug rapists you mentioned.... in his mind he thought those girls deserved that... Why did he think they deserved that? He never developed the ability to choose right from wrong. Should we kill him? No... but we should prevent him from hurting innocent people in society by jailing him... let him read all he wants from the prison library... maybe he'll learn something.

 

Remember, I did say above that the law could be taken to extremes. In Hammurabi's code of laws, sure it was revolved around death. Anything you done wrong was a reason to be put to death. But take it in its literal translation. If you kill someone you should be killed. They always said if you stole you should have your finger cut off. Good teaching or cruel? Will that person steal again? Will the person steal again who is put in jail for 10 days? I don't know, I see an eye for an eye as a good thing in some situations.