by your logic i should be allowed to drink and drive...and you should just mind your own business. You are only affected if i hit you and you are hurt or die.

Street racing, same deal...mind your business and chances are my street racing will have absolutely no affect on your life.

(these are obviously just counter points to his argument, i in no way condone or agree with racing public streets or DUI.)

 

[QUOTE=NFCstang;3180835]Please show me where it's unconstitutional to levy an additional fine because you were breaking the law.....QUOTE]

This has been discussed already in another post, #91. Article 1, section 9 of the Virginia Constitution has a prohibition against excessive fines. However, as another member pointed out, these are not considered fines. According to him they are "Administrative Assessments". That is apparently how they can get away with it. According to him these "assessments" are administered by the DMV and not by the judicial system. Therefore, the fine you pay to the clerk of courts after conviction is the basic fine for the infraction. The extra is imposed by the DMV, although the first installment may be paid to the clerk of courts. Does that sound right IMSHAKN?

However, regardless of what you call it, it is more money out of your pocket for an offense. Which may not technically be called a fine, it in effect has the same result as a fine. If it smells like shit, it normally is.

Again, to me the issue is not the fact these "assessments" are going to be put into place. The issue is they how got it through without so much as a peep from anyone until it was signed sealed and delivered to us, the constituants. I fully intend to find out which of my representatives voted for this bill. I will vote against each of them in the next election. Especially if I see they have voted for the HR Transit Authority.

 

Oh you sweet naive child. You think they took the time to pass revenue generating legislation of this magnitude not to fucking reap the benfits from it???? Do you take bong hits from your exhaust pipe or something????? They are gonna rape you motherfuckers for everything they can until somebody can get these repealed by the supreme court. Fees, Fines,Taxes the super trifecta passed to generate as much as they can until somebody stops them. I read the local paper on Monday here in Winchester the damn politician that came-up with the whole idea of this legislation, Delegate David Albo R-Fairfax was on record as saying and I quote "Hey roads cost money and there's no road fairy" so yeah, keep thinking it's only the dipshits that are gonna get stopped and charged, and judges are just going to throw these charges out because they won't think it's right. Especially people with high-end cars, and modded out imports, they definitely gonna stick it to you.

 

Mark my words....you will be the motherfucker in here crying about having to sell off shit to pay some "unreasonable" fine because you were charged and convicted of some bogus charge by the police because after all you are "Mr. perfect driver" that never ever commits an infraction. You will be the one, because if you think enforcement won't increase with higher fees to be made, you are retarded.

 

[QUOTE=MAD_DOHC;3180760]I'm trying to get some statistics from you but you won't tell me. I can guarantee we take a poll of this board to see who's gotten a ticket for failure to signal and the results could be counted on one hand.

[QUOTE/]

Well here's a poll for you, when the powerball jackpot is like 1 or 2 millon, sure many people aren't going to pay attention or buy a ticket, but when the damn thing is 200 or so millon, people are gonna take interest and start buying tickets. Let's see a poll for how that goes. See where I'm going with this? Money has a strange way of motivating people, especially when left over funds from this legislation which the numbers they are projecting from this will be $525 millon annually and also authorizes the government to borrow up to $3 billion in the long-term, will go to LE,and VDOT, and other local and state gov't agencies. (You know those counties those nice judges and cops live in that will just ignore this cash cow.)

 

This is the exact reason I want to get out of Va.....

 

Sorry I must have missed this campaign slogan on the general assemblymans websites, or posters. Maybe you can find it for me. Maybe you can find me one single general assembly member that runs that says they won't raise taxes or pass an inordinate amount of legislation every session. Maybe the governor? Don't find these types of ideas or issues coming to the foreground when they're running for office generally. Guess you mean Miss Cleo needs to come on TV and the newspapers and tell us what each candidate will do in their subsequent terms in office before we go to vote. Your arguement fails

Also you missed a 4th option.
4. Move outside the jurisdiction of the Facist regime known as the commonwealth of Virginia and sit back and watch the whole thing unfold unscathed.

Shit I may make weekly runs down to VA just to drive around and break small traffic infractions just to prove the point they will not even bother because of my out of state tags. While they line you guys up like the sheeple you are.

 

Exactly !!!!!

 

House vote on HB 3202:

YEAS--Albo, Alexander, Amundson, Armstrong, Athey, BaCote, Barlow, Bell, Bowling, Brink, Bulova, Callahan, Caputo, Carrico, Cosgrove, Cox, Crockett-Stark, Dance, Dudley, Ebbin, Eisenberg, Englin, Fralin, Griffith, Hall, Hamilton, Hargrove, Hogan, Howell, A.T., Hugo, Hull, Hurt, Iaquinto, Ingram, Janis, Jones, S.C., Kilgore, Landes, Lewis, Lingamfelter, Lohr, Marsden, Marshall, D.W., May, McClellan, McEachin, McQuigg, Miller, J.H., Miller, P.J., Moran, Morgan, Nixon, Nutter, O'Bannon, Oder, Orrock, Peace, Phillips, Plum, Poisson, Purkey, Putney, Rust, Saxman, Scott, E.T., Scott, J.M., Shannon, Sherwood, Shuler, Sickles, Suit, Tata, Toscano, Tyler, Valentine, Waddell, Ward, Wardrup, Ware, O., Ware, R.L., Watts, Welch, Wittman, Wright, Mr. Speaker--85.

NAYS--Abbitt, Byron, Cline, Cole, Frederick, Gear, Gilbert, Joannou, Johnson, Jones, D.C., Marshall, R.G., Melvin, Rapp, Reid, Spruill--15.

ABSTENTIONS--0.

NOT VOTING--0.

 

Senate vote on HB 3202:

YEAS--Bell, Blevins, Colgan, Deeds, Devolites Davis, Edwards, Herring, Houck, Howell, Lambert, Marsh, McDougle, Miller, Norment, O'Brien, Potts, Puckett, Puller, Quayle, Rerras, Reynolds, Ruff, Stolle, Stosch, Ticer, Wagner, Wampler, Whipple, Williams--29.

NAYS--Cuccinelli, Hanger, Hawkins, Locke, Lucas, Martin, Newman, Obenshain, Saslaw, Watkins--10.

RULE 36--0.

NOT VOTING--Chichester--1.