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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by duder
It goes both ways however. There are people who ride motorcycles and crash or die that are not registered in VA or at all. Granted it might be a smaller preportion of non registered riders than registered riders who do not ride. Another thing I have not taken into consideration is the number of people who crash and simply don't report it because they only have liability coverage and it happened in the middle of no where (I am one of those statistics). Regardless of the margin of error my general point is that the chances of dying on a motorcycle in VA are not as alarming as people are making it seem.
Plus, don't registrations also have to be renewed every one or two years and cost 100 bucks or something? If you aren't riding the bike you'd let the registration expire making that statistic more accurate. I'm with you, I don't think that statistic is that far off. They honestly make SUCH a big deal of every motorcycle fatality in newspapers and we really don't get that many if you think about it? Yea the last month or so has been bad, buts I'm willing to bet if we got new statistics for this year, the number would still be under 100 deaths and the number of registered riders has probably sky rocketed along with gas prices.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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But it can happen while you're home also.
So whats the difference between a burglary and a home invasion?
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 10:53 AM
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So whats the difference between a burglary and a home invasion?
As far as the statistics go a home invasion is grouped in with a burglary.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JDM74
Prove that his numbers are not accurate. The only way to do that would be to figure out how many people ride their bikes on a regular basis. Got a way to figure that out? Poll? I don't think the number of motorcycle collectors is significant enough to change the percentage an appreciable amount.

If you didn't want to argue, you shouldn't have made the comment.
His argument was based on a fallacy.

I already proved they are not accurate. I made the statement that not every registered motorcycle is used, if I provide you with one case my statement is true. I have one case... My brother has a motorcycle that is registered and has not left the garage in two years. It is proven.

The correct statement with the facts that were provided is that less than 1% of registered motorcycles in the state of VA are involved in fatal accidents in the state of VA.

You don't have to accept it, but that is what it is.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
His argument was based on a fallacy.

I already proved they are not accurate. I made the statement that not every registered motorcycle is used, if I provide you with one case my statement is true. I have one case... My brother has a motorcycle that is registered and has not left the garage in two years. It is proven.

The correct statement with the facts that were provided is that less than 1% of registered motorcycles in the state of VA are involved in fatal accidents in the state of VA.

You don't have to accept it, but that is what it is.
If it really hasn't been used ONCE in 2 years, then its probably not registered any more. I just brought that up btw, I don't think n e one is trying to "argue" just put up information for discussion thats all.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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If it really hasn't been used ONCE in 2 years, then its probably not registered any more. I just brought that up btw, I don't think n e one is trying to "argue" just put up information for discussion thats all.
It registered and insured. He just doesn't ride it.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NoRider
If it really hasn't been used ONCE in 2 years, then its probably not registered any more. I just brought that up btw, I don't think n e one is trying to "argue" just put up information for discussion thats all.
Just cause you're willing to break the law and not register a vehicle you own doesn't mean others are...
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by naMfOrelliK
Just cause you're willing to break the law and not register a vehicle you own doesn't mean others are...
if you own a vehicle... that is in a garage, (not on your drive way) the garage.. indoors... and it absolutely doesnt get driven AT ALL... why would you register it?
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chappe
if you own a vehicle... that is in a garage, (not on your drive way) the garage.. indoors... and it absolutely doesnt get driven AT ALL... why would you register it?
lol exactly, its not illegal at all if you aren't riding it. and even if I was "the type of person to break the law" are you really that naive to think that other people wouldn't as well? I mean look up statistics on motorcycle crashes and you'll see the number of accidents and fatalities that are contributed to people with 1. no M designation 2. no permit 3. uninsured 4. Riding while intoxicated 5. no helmet... If anything I would expect a part of these fatalities and injuries to throw the statistics off the other way as I'm sure a portion were not legally on the road, possibly because they weren't registered, or for other reasons.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
His argument was based on a fallacy.

I already proved they are not accurate.
It is as accurate as is statistically possible. No other presentation of data can be more accurate unless there were studies where every motorcyclist in VA was interviewed about the frquency in which they ride and whether they know of people who ride without a license or a rgistered bike. In that case a motorcyclist can simply lie about the frequency in which he rides and would most likely lie about knowing people who rode illegally. My point is that you can debate the finer aspects of statistical data all day long because it is an endless circle of what ifs. I think what you're meaning to say is that the data has a small margin of error that accompanies all statistics.

An argument based on fallacy would imply that it contains no truth and this data though minorly flawed contains a sufficient amount of accuracy to prove my point.



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