All motor build
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Re: All motor build
I think it's pretty much proven ITBs make more power, at least top end for sure. Whether or not they are worth the cost and trouble, who knows, probably not for your average person. I've also seen some interesting setups where people have ran ITBs INSIDE a plenum. See it more on turbo cars than NA.
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Re: All motor build
I think it's pretty much proven ITBs make more power, at least top end for sure. Whether or not they are worth the cost and trouble, who knows, probably not for your average person. I've also seen some interesting setups where people have ran ITBs INSIDE a plenum. See it more on turbo cars than NA.
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Re: All motor build
Nobody ever claimed DSMs were the fastest cars in the world. Just that they were a superior starting platform vs a civic for the average person's budget. There's plenty of better platforms for everything and you're right it's a stupid arguement, different people modify their cars for different things.
However I wanted to throw this out there, data from personal experience, for the people talking about usable powerband, etc.
Green line is a DSM with a GT35R, boost in the mid-low 30s
Lighter blue (the one directly below the green) is the same DSM but with smaller cams, smaller turbine housing, and the boost turned way down
The next one down, darker red, is a basic bolt on AWD Talon with a stock 14B maxed out pretty much
Next one down, the brighter red, is a K series honda all motor
Bottom of them all, is a stock B16 VTEC with an intake
Looks to me like the small housing 35R and the 14B would deliver far superior road racing or autox powerband vs the all motor cars. Obviously the big housing 35R would be a failure on any track that has a lot of tight turning, as it's strong point will be the straights. The all motor hondas just don't have enough power, bottom line. I think that was the original point. Adding a turbo to the hondas just makes issues more complicated due to traction issues.
Things to keep in mind - when drag racing, you will only be seeing a 2000-3000 RPM window of the powerband. On a DSM the gearing puts it close to 2000ish RPMs per gear
However I wanted to throw this out there, data from personal experience, for the people talking about usable powerband, etc.
Green line is a DSM with a GT35R, boost in the mid-low 30s
Lighter blue (the one directly below the green) is the same DSM but with smaller cams, smaller turbine housing, and the boost turned way down
The next one down, darker red, is a basic bolt on AWD Talon with a stock 14B maxed out pretty much
Next one down, the brighter red, is a K series honda all motor
Bottom of them all, is a stock B16 VTEC with an intake
Looks to me like the small housing 35R and the 14B would deliver far superior road racing or autox powerband vs the all motor cars. Obviously the big housing 35R would be a failure on any track that has a lot of tight turning, as it's strong point will be the straights. The all motor hondas just don't have enough power, bottom line. I think that was the original point. Adding a turbo to the hondas just makes issues more complicated due to traction issues.
Things to keep in mind - when drag racing, you will only be seeing a 2000-3000 RPM window of the powerband. On a DSM the gearing puts it close to 2000ish RPMs per gear
This is one of my latest dyno charts from my civic. It shows you can make power in the civic. However it will cost you alot of money and time. Trying to find my chart from stock motor to show the comparison.
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Re: All motor build
Its in your usercp. You can't see who it was though unless they leave a note. Believe it or not I gave lots of you fuckers positive feedback even after talkign a bunch of shit and all I got back was neutral feedback. wtf? what the fuck is the point of neutral feedback?