NASA @ VIR March 28-29
wharlgarbl
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
If your alignment is decent, your car handles ok, and you don't overdrive the car into or out of the corners, you shouldn't have any tire chunking problems.
Also unless Mike is your instructor, you may have trouble finding an instructor who will get in your car if those tires are on it (street tires are strongly suggested in HPDE1, in fact some groups and instructors flat-out require 'em.)
Shaved Toyo race tires don't communicate like street tires, so you'll be missing some valuable parts of the learning experience, i.e. how to hear and feel what the tires are doing long before they let go.
Beyond that... you'll learn better/faster, and have more fun sliding around, on street tires.
Think of the journey (i.e. learning to go fast) instead of just the destination (going fast)...
IMHO YMMV ETC,
Jon
Also unless Mike is your instructor, you may have trouble finding an instructor who will get in your car if those tires are on it (street tires are strongly suggested in HPDE1, in fact some groups and instructors flat-out require 'em.)
Shaved Toyo race tires don't communicate like street tires, so you'll be missing some valuable parts of the learning experience, i.e. how to hear and feel what the tires are doing long before they let go.
Beyond that... you'll learn better/faster, and have more fun sliding around, on street tires.
Think of the journey (i.e. learning to go fast) instead of just the destination (going fast)...
IMHO YMMV ETC,
Jon
I have no clue what YMMV ETC means.
I just know the tires are what he's ran spec e30 in before they switched.
I could also be completely wrong
at the track today?
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
YMMV ETC in this case means "I've only been to more than a hundred HPDE's, and have only been an instructor for 7? years now, so I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about." 
The question isn't "are those tires faster" because of course they are. But believe it or not, 'faster' is not the goal in HPDE1.
Anyway, do what ya want. I just think you'll learn more, and have more fun, NOT on those tires you mentioned.
I'll shut up now,
Jon
The question isn't "are those tires faster" because of course they are. But believe it or not, 'faster' is not the goal in HPDE1.
Anyway, do what ya want. I just think you'll learn more, and have more fun, NOT on those tires you mentioned.
I'll shut up now,
Jon
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OM NOM NOM E30
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
your first time out on track you will not out drive a set of decent street tires.
Also if you like how your car looks having race rubber kick rocks at your fenders for 2 days isnt the best of ideas
Also if you like how your car looks having race rubber kick rocks at your fenders for 2 days isnt the best of ideas
wharlgarbl
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
YMMV ETC in this case means "I've only been to more than a hundred HPDE's, and have only been an instructor for 7? years now, so I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about."
The question isn't "are those tires faster" because of course they are. But believe it or not, 'faster' is not the goal in HPDE1.
Anyway, do what ya want. I just think you'll learn more, and have more fun, NOT on those tires you mentioned.
I'll shut up now,
Jon
The question isn't "are those tires faster" because of course they are. But believe it or not, 'faster' is not the goal in HPDE1.
Anyway, do what ya want. I just think you'll learn more, and have more fun, NOT on those tires you mentioned.
I'll shut up now,
Jon
we'll see what happens. I def won't be trying to go fast at all just yet. main goal is staying on the track
wharlgarbl
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
and like i said just a second ago I don't intend to out drive anything. I just hope to stay on the track
and learn a bit
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OM NOM NOM E30
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
you wont have that problem, what we are getting at is that:
This is your first event, many clubs do not recommend r compound tires for novice drivers. Infact some instructors wont even ride with new people who have race rubber on the car. It hides a lot of mistakes, you will learn a lot more about your car with street tires on it. You are not losing anything running street tires. They make a lot more noise before they completely let go, r compound tires are a totally different animal. I assume mike has done his fair share of events if he's racing spec e30, so im sure he's heard this all before for new people.
None the less food for thought.
Dont worry about ripping your street tires up, ive had azenis on my miata for 2 events and you couldnt even tell they've been driven on.
This is your first event, many clubs do not recommend r compound tires for novice drivers. Infact some instructors wont even ride with new people who have race rubber on the car. It hides a lot of mistakes, you will learn a lot more about your car with street tires on it. You are not losing anything running street tires. They make a lot more noise before they completely let go, r compound tires are a totally different animal. I assume mike has done his fair share of events if he's racing spec e30, so im sure he's heard this all before for new people.
None the less food for thought.
Dont worry about ripping your street tires up, ive had azenis on my miata for 2 events and you couldnt even tell they've been driven on.
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Not-So-Fatty McFat
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
well i won't be coming out 
i have an event the same day and since i planned it i probably need to show up
but i've upgraded my brakes...from a 9.4 rotor to a 10.3...should help, but i'll never know b/c i never make it out
i have an event the same day and since i planned it i probably need to show upbut i've upgraded my brakes...from a 9.4 rotor to a 10.3...should help, but i'll never know b/c i never make it out
wharlgarbl
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
you wont have that problem, what we are getting at is that:
This is your first event, many clubs do not recommend r compound tires for novice drivers. Infact some instructors wont even ride with new people who have race rubber on the car. It hides a lot of mistakes, you will learn a lot more about your car with street tires on it. You are not losing anything running street tires. They make a lot more noise before they completely let go, r compound tires are a totally different animal. I assume mike has done his fair share of events if he's racing spec e30, so im sure he's heard this all before for new people.
None the less food for thought.
Dont worry about ripping your street tires up, ive had azenis on my miata for 2 events and you couldnt even tell they've been driven on.
This is your first event, many clubs do not recommend r compound tires for novice drivers. Infact some instructors wont even ride with new people who have race rubber on the car. It hides a lot of mistakes, you will learn a lot more about your car with street tires on it. You are not losing anything running street tires. They make a lot more noise before they completely let go, r compound tires are a totally different animal. I assume mike has done his fair share of events if he's racing spec e30, so im sure he's heard this all before for new people.
None the less food for thought.
Dont worry about ripping your street tires up, ive had azenis on my miata for 2 events and you couldnt even tell they've been driven on.
at the track today?
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Re: NASA @ VIR March 28-29
No worries,
Jon
