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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FlimFlam
I'm currently running a very expensive set of TruChoice/Koni coilovers for my SER and I'm very close to going to Fortune's. I trust them to make me happy on track and give me additional adjustability over what I'm currently running that may help me dial in my car a little better.

Being that I've already tracked Jen's Hello Kitty Evo I'm very confident in their product and I've tracked a LOT of different combinations on many...many different platforms. Once their car was properly setup and had adequate tires, I had the confidence to go fast and confidence is everything on track when learning how to drive...and the key to fast lap times.

It's good stuff.
If/When I track the R, it'll be set back to factory alignment specs and my factory suspension will be going back on. Right now it's lowered on eibach springs.

Suspension is way off my list and so is actually getting on a race track, well a roadcourse. I'm stuck with this motor build and kinda undecided on what to do.

Originally Posted by FlimFlam
Plus they got cool ass t-shirts.



urite.
In which I'll be ordering one shortly, haha. Can't afford anything else ATM.

Originally Posted by Terry@Fortune
No offence taken whatsoever. That is exactly why we are doing this. These coilovers are freaking awesome and great and I know that. However many people are still skeptics and think this is just rebranded megan or ebay stuff and that is far from it.

As far as off the shelf GC/Koni setups. Unless you have a custom valved Koni these things will blow the off the shelf units out of the water. It is not even in the same league as far as damping goes. I have had Koni/GC and its nice stuff but not as good.
First off we have a lot of rebound adjustability...25 clicks to be exact. This helps with transitional roll (limits how fast the roll angle is achieved)

Also since we run a larger piston then most we can run higher spring rates with out negatively affecting the initial compression/rebound. This is not true with most setup because generally when they are over sprung the car tends to feel bumpy over the smaller imperfections in the road and it will absorb the larger imperfections better than the smaller ones. That is not the case with our coilovers and that lends itself to work great on rough tracks or even just bad streets if you use it for street driving.
Like I said up there, I have 0 experience on the track. Ya'll have any drag cars running them (hopefully mine doesn't turn into that.) I really need to get up with some of the 757 locals who are running them. Do you know anyone off hand that has a civic/integra running them who isn't so dumped?

(also, side note. Does the Integra coilover have two different numbers? Like, one for regular integras and one for R models or do would one have to get regular control arms.)

again for answerings questions so publicly. And like Fabrik8 said, it's cool to see the graphs even though I can't read them. I've only seen two companys post theirs on H-T.
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 04:55 PM
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Default Re: New Fortune Auto Sponsored Time Attack car!

Originally Posted by Terry@Fortune
LOL I am sorry
Yeah I am ignorant when it comes to carbon fiber as you can tell
They told me it was "dry" carbon so I relayed the info.
So dry carbon is just some jdm bullshit thing?
Originally Posted by ShawnD
I could of sworn dry carbon fiber was more of the process of it being made.
Carbon parts are usually made with either of two different processes.

The first method uses carbon fiber cloth and liquid resin, and is usually done as wet layup (more on that later) or vacuum infusion. I won't get into the differences there, but just know that wet (liquid) resin is applied to carbon fiber cloth.

The second process uses carbon fiber that is already impregnated with resin. The liquid resin is applied to the carbon fiber using a machine with rollers, and the amount of resin is very tightly controlled (more on that later). Then a sheet of masking is applied to both sides, and the impregnated carbon is frozen to keep the resin from curing until it is used. Carbon of this type is called "prepreg" because it's pre-impregnated with resin. It's taken out of the freezer, warmed up to room temp, masking sheets pulled off, and applied to the mold. It's tacky and feels almost like the vinyl sheet that stickers are made of, but the resin isn't a goopy liquid so the aftermarket industry started calling it "dry carbon".

Okay, so now to tie the two processes together. It's hard to control the amount of resin for the amount of carbon fiber when making parts, so the strength to weight ratio isn't as good as it could be. With prepreg parts, the amount of resin is very tightly controlled so the strength to weight ratio is much better. There are also consistency benefits and other stuff I won't get into.
Anyway, that's why prepreg parts are usually used for most strength- and weight-critical applications. And for expensive non-critical street car parts, oddly enough.

The aftermarket industry calls prepreg parts "dry carbon" parts though, because although the carbon is completely covered with resin, the resin isn't in goopy flowing liquid form when it is applied. They're trying to differentiate lower quality parts made by wet layup processes from the more expensive prepreg parts. So apparently the street car aftermarket thinks that "prepreg" is too much of a mental tax to remember, and they've made up their own wording that no one else in the composites world uses.

I consider "dry carbon" to be carbon fiber cloth with no resin applied. You start with dry carbon, you apply resin, then the resin cures and makes a part. You can't make carbon parts with no resin, therefore you can't really have "dry carbon" parts.

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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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very nice, clean looking car.
Old Jul 14, 2009 | 05:40 PM
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Fabrik8 you are being picky prepreg sounds like something you'd hear in a chick flick
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 11:12 AM
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If you guys do ever get these for the s2k let me know. I'd like to try them out.
Old Jul 15, 2009 | 11:13 AM
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If you guys do ever get these for the s2k let me know. I'd like to try them out.
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