Cycle whore thread
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beyond that, the only reason you got the peak power you did was b/c that second pipe was VERY open, and VERY short, and the first pipe just sucked. I meant more along the lines of stock VS piped. PEAK HP doesn't mean dick in real life. 99.9% of your riding is not at WOT at 12k+ rpm. And even if it was CLOSE to that, you still have idle to 11,999 RPM to get thru before you hit that peak, and it that part sucks...you're looking at someones tail light.
hp is all fine and good, but torque is alot more fun.
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Seriously? Big time tuner like you, and you're hear talking about butt dyno?
And give the guys a lil more credit, I'm sure a good amount of them would notice a 2-5hp gain if they did back to back rides.
So if you want me to make butt dynop proof, I can tell you, when I went from a jardine slip on, to a micron serpent full system, with the same map, I noticed a difference instantly.
As for you're bit about the pc3, that's not relevant, as a good tune of the a/f ratio will give gains, yes the gains are set for a certain ideal, but tuned closer to that ideal, vs not tuned at all, and set for emissions and gas mileage and a restrictive stock system, you're gonna get good gains no matter what.
Plus you don't compensate for tire slip when you tune, you said so yourself, so how can you talk about control with a auto tune setup?
And give the guys a lil more credit, I'm sure a good amount of them would notice a 2-5hp gain if they did back to back rides.
So if you want me to make butt dynop proof, I can tell you, when I went from a jardine slip on, to a micron serpent full system, with the same map, I noticed a difference instantly.
As for you're bit about the pc3, that's not relevant, as a good tune of the a/f ratio will give gains, yes the gains are set for a certain ideal, but tuned closer to that ideal, vs not tuned at all, and set for emissions and gas mileage and a restrictive stock system, you're gonna get good gains no matter what.
Plus you don't compensate for tire slip when you tune, you said so yourself, so how can you talk about control with a auto tune setup?
I brought up the "butt dyno" b/c I work to make my customers happy with their bikes, the way THEY ride. most of peoples riding is not at peak HP rpm, so PEAK really doesn't mean much. I only tune for PEAK numbers if the customer asks me too, beyond that, I tune for ridablilty. I can make a bike make PEAK numbers all day long, but that doesn't do dick for the REST of the rpm range, where most people do most of their riding.
I tune to make the customer come back and say "damn, she runs AWESOME", not to print off a piece of paper.
That being said, I don't even do dyno tuning anymore (thank god), and I tune to make the bike run properly, based on the bike, setup, and riders needs. I can build stupid HP motors all day, but they have to be ridable, or why bother?
As far as the "auto tune", I'm assuming you are talking about the wide-band PC5 type stuff, they tune themselves based on the rider, and how the bike is generally used. I see no problem with that. Not everyone is riding around being dumbasses on the street, there are plenty of people that actually ride the street like it's a street, not a racetrack.
Plus you don't compensate for tire slip when you tune, you said so yourself, so how can you talk about control with a auto tune setup?
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So I took a ride on a 08 r6 with fresh tires on it. First thing I noticed when I hopped on is how much wider the tank was than my 02 R1. When I sat down on it, I felt a little uncomfortable but it was something that I got used to. I pulled out on the street after stalling out once because of the release point being more tricky than my bike. I had to almost let it all the way out and give it a decent amount of gas before I went anywhere. Again, that's something I could probably get used to with more experience on the bike. When I got rolling I shifted through the gears and it was almost like it shifted itself before I even thought about shifting. It was smooth as hell.
After the tires warmed up a little I took it around my favorite off ramp. First thing I noticed is that the bike kind of pushed itself around the corner. I didn't have to try to get it to lean, it pretty much went over on its own. I usually take the off ramp at around 75-80 on my bike before it starts feeling sketchy and I pushed the R6 to about 80-85 and it felt like I could have kept going if there wasn't a car in the way.
I did a couple of pulls from 1st gear til about 4th and I wasn't too happy with the no torque thing, but after 10k it screamed and pulled hard to 16.5k. I was also able to power it up in first gear and hold it all the way til redline and I felt 100% confident doing it. I might miss the power of my R1, but I definitely feel more in control on the r6. I need to really go and ride a zx10 and a 04-05 r1 and see if I am really ready to step down to a smaller and more nimble bike for the track.
After the tires warmed up a little I took it around my favorite off ramp. First thing I noticed is that the bike kind of pushed itself around the corner. I didn't have to try to get it to lean, it pretty much went over on its own. I usually take the off ramp at around 75-80 on my bike before it starts feeling sketchy and I pushed the R6 to about 80-85 and it felt like I could have kept going if there wasn't a car in the way.
I did a couple of pulls from 1st gear til about 4th and I wasn't too happy with the no torque thing, but after 10k it screamed and pulled hard to 16.5k. I was also able to power it up in first gear and hold it all the way til redline and I felt 100% confident doing it. I might miss the power of my R1, but I definitely feel more in control on the r6. I need to really go and ride a zx10 and a 04-05 r1 and see if I am really ready to step down to a smaller and more nimble bike for the track.
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do you have any experience dyno tuning? seriously?
I brought up the "butt dyno" b/c I work to make my customers happy with their bikes, the way THEY ride. most of peoples riding is not at peak HP rpm, so PEAK really doesn't mean much. I only tune for PEAK numbers if the customer asks me too, beyond that, I tune for ridablilty. I can make a bike make PEAK numbers all day long, but that doesn't do dick for the REST of the rpm range, where most people do most of their riding.
I tune to make the customer come back and say "damn, she runs AWESOME", not to print off a piece of paper.
That being said, I don't even do dyno tuning anymore (thank god), and I tune to make the bike run properly, based on the bike, setup, and riders needs. I can build stupid HP motors all day, but they have to be ridable, or why bother?
As far as the "auto tune", I'm assuming you are talking about the wide-band PC5 type stuff, they tune themselves based on the rider, and how the bike is generally used. I see no problem with that. Not everyone is riding around being dumbasses on the street, there are plenty of people that actually ride the street like it's a street, not a racetrack.
please enlighten me on what you mean by that, before I tell you how much sense it doesn't make
I brought up the "butt dyno" b/c I work to make my customers happy with their bikes, the way THEY ride. most of peoples riding is not at peak HP rpm, so PEAK really doesn't mean much. I only tune for PEAK numbers if the customer asks me too, beyond that, I tune for ridablilty. I can make a bike make PEAK numbers all day long, but that doesn't do dick for the REST of the rpm range, where most people do most of their riding.
I tune to make the customer come back and say "damn, she runs AWESOME", not to print off a piece of paper.
That being said, I don't even do dyno tuning anymore (thank god), and I tune to make the bike run properly, based on the bike, setup, and riders needs. I can build stupid HP motors all day, but they have to be ridable, or why bother?
As far as the "auto tune", I'm assuming you are talking about the wide-band PC5 type stuff, they tune themselves based on the rider, and how the bike is generally used. I see no problem with that. Not everyone is riding around being dumbasses on the street, there are plenty of people that actually ride the street like it's a street, not a racetrack.
please enlighten me on what you mean by that, before I tell you how much sense it doesn't make
then you mentioned butt dyno, so yeah i see what u mean now, but there is no denying the gains you can get over a slip on, with a full system, when tuned properly.
tires slip, well basically it comes down to compensating for the tire slip when u dyno tune. every tire slips, some slip more than others.
I know a pro engine builder in TX, and ive grilled him over and over on what to ask dyno tuners before giving them my bike if i want a proper tune, and not just a simple basic tune.
he always says, if they dont have a dyno tire, or wheel, or compensate for tire slip, then theyre not really versed in what theyre doing, they basically just know how to operate the dyno and nothing more.