Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Simple Bolt Ons
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
I haven't hearad this before, can you link proof of this?
If you're referring to the F-series truck, I am pretty sure GM outsold them last year, and probably will again this year. I agree they won't die, but I disagree that they are still the top-selling manufacturer, and if they are right now, they won't be soon....their quality is going down the toilet as fast as GM's design team.
If you're referring to the F-series truck, I am pretty sure GM outsold them last year, and probably will again this year. I agree they won't die, but I disagree that they are still the top-selling manufacturer, and if they are right now, they won't be soon....their quality is going down the toilet as fast as GM's design team.
If you google it you'll see what i mean. Nissan has been buying Ford's frames. I'm going out today to check out some trucks and i'll see if I can't snap some proof for you non-believers.
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Yup, jolly poopbuggy
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
I was never attempting educate anyone. And my comment about hurting your feelings was sarcasm for Tim. I'm not sure if you noticed the smilie with the rolling eyes...
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Narrator:"A new car built by my company
leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The
rear differential locks up. The car crashes
and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now:
should we initiate a recall? Take the number
of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the
probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the
average out-of-court settlement, C. A times
B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost
of a recall, we don't do one."
Business woman on plane: "Are there a lot of
these kinds of accidents?"
Narrator: "You wouldn't believe."
Business woman on plane: "Which car company do
you work for?"
Narrator: "A major one."
leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The
rear differential locks up. The car crashes
and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now:
should we initiate a recall? Take the number
of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the
probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the
average out-of-court settlement, C. A times
B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost
of a recall, we don't do one."
Business woman on plane: "Are there a lot of
these kinds of accidents?"
Narrator: "You wouldn't believe."
Business woman on plane: "Which car company do
you work for?"
Narrator: "A major one."
Full Retard
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Cut from my link to last years total sales:
Ford F-Series (includes F-150, F-250 Super Duty and F-350 Super Duty) — 901,463
Chevrolet Silverado (includes 1500, 1500 Classic, 1500 SS, 1500 SS Classic, 1500HD, 1500HD Classic, 2500HD, 2500HD Classic, 3500, 3500 Classic) — 705,891
Patron
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Okay, here is my two cents about this. I despise Ford. Always have. My dad did a good job of teaching me that after having to deal with a shitty regional representative for Ford back in the 1970s.
Ford used Firestone as the scapegoat. I've had Firestone Wilderness A/Ts (the same EXACT tire as the one of the Explorers, just in a larger size) come OEM for my '99 Silverado Z71 that I had. I took that truck off-road constantly, got it out on the highway for cross-country drives, and it held up fine for 45,000 miles. Note that I always monitored my tire pressure, as improper pressure can kill a tire.
Ford deliberately stated that the factory spec tire pressure for their Explorer tires be too low for highway driving. OEM setting was supposed to be 26 PSI. 26 PSI in a 235/75/R16 tire supporting a heavy SUV IS TOO LITTLE. Even 26 PSI in a standard Honda Civic EX tire is pushing it. Ford set the tire pressure low DELIBERATELY so that the vehicle could barely pass safety standards.
In Summary: Low OEM tire pressure specs is what caused the tire failure, not the tire itself.
As for the bankruptcy thing: Ford will get a buyout from the Government. Ford is an icon to the automobile itself. The U.S. Government will not let Ford take a hike. It will do to Ford what it did to Chrysler, and then Ford will make one vehicle that literally takes off like crazy (like Chrysler did with making the Dodge Caravan which started the whole Minivan segment).
The Ipod and ITunes saved Apple. That company was seriously going belly-up, but the IPod and ITunes came just in the nick of time. The IPod and ITunes pretty much is the only thing that keeps the lights on over at Apple. Maybe their new Intel-Powered computers will assist with paying the bills also.
International Politics are different with Germany and the US then between Japan and the US. Ever since we kicked the Nazis out of Germany, we have HEAVILY tied to that country. That is why DaimlerChrysler was allowed to happen. I think it is the best move that company could have made. I love their lineup of vehicles, and I think the "Dr. Z" marketing tactic is brilliant.
If Japan moved in, we wouldn't allow it. It would revive the anti-Japan sentiment that was somewhat prevalent in the mid-90s with everyone getting scared that Japan would either force all the US companies it runs with into bankruptcy thru fierce competition (read: Dumping), or they would buy up the US Companies. This Anti-Japan sentiment is a big reason why a lot of Japanese vehicles are really made in the US now. The fact that the Tundra and Titan (as well as other trucks and SUVs in their lineup) are made in the US is the only reason the vehicles are selling as well as they are.
Ford used Firestone as the scapegoat. I've had Firestone Wilderness A/Ts (the same EXACT tire as the one of the Explorers, just in a larger size) come OEM for my '99 Silverado Z71 that I had. I took that truck off-road constantly, got it out on the highway for cross-country drives, and it held up fine for 45,000 miles. Note that I always monitored my tire pressure, as improper pressure can kill a tire.
Ford deliberately stated that the factory spec tire pressure for their Explorer tires be too low for highway driving. OEM setting was supposed to be 26 PSI. 26 PSI in a 235/75/R16 tire supporting a heavy SUV IS TOO LITTLE. Even 26 PSI in a standard Honda Civic EX tire is pushing it. Ford set the tire pressure low DELIBERATELY so that the vehicle could barely pass safety standards.
In Summary: Low OEM tire pressure specs is what caused the tire failure, not the tire itself.
As for the bankruptcy thing: Ford will get a buyout from the Government. Ford is an icon to the automobile itself. The U.S. Government will not let Ford take a hike. It will do to Ford what it did to Chrysler, and then Ford will make one vehicle that literally takes off like crazy (like Chrysler did with making the Dodge Caravan which started the whole Minivan segment).
Originally Posted by BluestedSRT
didn't read the whole thread, but the same was said about Apple Computer in the early 90's. Everyone said they were a sinking ship, and they would be out of business in 4-5 yrs. Well it didn't happen, now they have more cash on hand than FED/EX and UPS combined.
Originally Posted by TheGoaT
ask Dr. Z what he thinks about that
If Japan moved in, we wouldn't allow it. It would revive the anti-Japan sentiment that was somewhat prevalent in the mid-90s with everyone getting scared that Japan would either force all the US companies it runs with into bankruptcy thru fierce competition (read: Dumping), or they would buy up the US Companies. This Anti-Japan sentiment is a big reason why a lot of Japanese vehicles are really made in the US now. The fact that the Tundra and Titan (as well as other trucks and SUVs in their lineup) are made in the US is the only reason the vehicles are selling as well as they are.
Yup, jolly poopbuggy
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From: Hampton, VA
Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Ford used Firestone as the scapegoat. I've had Firestone Wilderness A/Ts (the same EXACT tire as the one of the Explorers, just in a larger size) come OEM for my '99 Silverado Z71 that I had. I took that truck off-road constantly, got it out on the highway for cross-country drives, and it held up fine for 45,000 miles. Note that I always monitored my tire pressure, as improper pressure can kill a tire.
The Ipod and ITunes saved Apple. That company was seriously going belly-up, but the IPod and ITunes came just in the nick of time. The IPod and ITunes pretty much is the only thing that keeps the lights on over at Apple. Maybe their new Intel-Powered computers will assist with paying the bills also.