H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Originally Posted by 00lude
I actually considered the 00 ITR and the 00 Prelude new in 2000 and chose the Prelude. Sure the ITR looks nice, has good handling, and felt a little more wired than your average Integra but, when it came down to it, its pretty much the same as the other hundreds of thousand of Integras running around. I also think the seats sit up to high in the ITR.
here below are some quotes off honda-tech
Originally Posted by jond
That sums it up well.
When the ITR was released, only 3 cars in the world handled better and all were around $100,000.
It depends on the track though. You need a track where you can carry speed. At VIR I was passing 350hp camaros that were all done up with rollcages and whatnot. At summitpoint I got passed by everyone it seemed...
Besise the handling, realize the ITR only weights 500lbs more then a lotus elise.... Name 1 car lighter then the ITR thats sold today(besise the elise/miata). There arent any...
Originally Posted by nEoMuGen
to be rough:
lightweight
short gearing
enduring brakes (due to lightweight)
reliability: NA > FI
VTEC and redline: stays in powerband longer
.94G
more rotation than most FF cars
cheap maintainance and easy to mod.
Specs on paper means nothing, you have to drive it to understand. If you put Miata in the picture, it would be a hard thing saying which one is a better track car. Although the ITR should be faster in lap time than MX-5 given equal driver, but a good track car doesn't necessary have fast lap times.
M3 is a great track car too to it's weight distribution. Just abit too heavy, and I hate their gearbox.
WRX is super heavy on the track, road-feel sucks. Weight transition is not easy to manage. If heavily modded, turbo lag's gonna mess things up in turns. Brakes on WRX are very hard to overcome due to weight, even with bigger calipers and whatnots.
MR2 and other old FI cars (FD ahem), reliability is an issue. And MR cars, although supposedly to be more neutral for tracks but in reality, they are not for beginners. If both you and your friend start on the same day for track, you will hand his ass to him. And as for traction, he's talking out of his ass, track and drag strip launch are two separate things. If set up is not right, the MR2 can understeer like hell too.
Bottom line is, ITR is a great Beginner/Amateur track cars. Its limit is within reach to most ppl, while other cars, the learning curve will be alot longer and steeper.
my .02
Modified by nEoMuGen at 10:13 AM 12/14/2005
lightweight
short gearing
enduring brakes (due to lightweight)
reliability: NA > FI
VTEC and redline: stays in powerband longer
.94G
more rotation than most FF cars
cheap maintainance and easy to mod.
Specs on paper means nothing, you have to drive it to understand. If you put Miata in the picture, it would be a hard thing saying which one is a better track car. Although the ITR should be faster in lap time than MX-5 given equal driver, but a good track car doesn't necessary have fast lap times.
M3 is a great track car too to it's weight distribution. Just abit too heavy, and I hate their gearbox.
WRX is super heavy on the track, road-feel sucks. Weight transition is not easy to manage. If heavily modded, turbo lag's gonna mess things up in turns. Brakes on WRX are very hard to overcome due to weight, even with bigger calipers and whatnots.
MR2 and other old FI cars (FD ahem), reliability is an issue. And MR cars, although supposedly to be more neutral for tracks but in reality, they are not for beginners. If both you and your friend start on the same day for track, you will hand his ass to him. And as for traction, he's talking out of his ass, track and drag strip launch are two separate things. If set up is not right, the MR2 can understeer like hell too.
Bottom line is, ITR is a great Beginner/Amateur track cars. Its limit is within reach to most ppl, while other cars, the learning curve will be alot longer and steeper.
my .02
Modified by nEoMuGen at 10:13 AM 12/14/2005
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Look, we're not trying to bash Preludes, just posting facts.
Bottom line is, if you want a performance car then buy the ITR.
If you want a good daily driver and pimp mobile, then get the Prelude.
You can agrue that "my car is better than your car" but in the end, the facts still speak for themselves.
Bottom line is, if you want a performance car then buy the ITR.
If you want a good daily driver and pimp mobile, then get the Prelude.
You can agrue that "my car is better than your car" but in the end, the facts still speak for themselves.
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Originally Posted by EEK
this is a big difference than the thousands of integra's running around
Read these articles and you might have a better appreciation of the two.
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/coupesde.pdf
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/battle.pdf
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Originally Posted by 00lude
That is a big difference but its just not enough for the average driver and the majority who will never put the car on the track. I too am not bashing the Type R, I'm just trying to make the point that many underestimate the Prelude without knowing what they're capable of.
Read these articles and you might have a better appreciation of the two.
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/coupesde.pdf
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/battle.pdf
Read these articles and you might have a better appreciation of the two.
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/coupesde.pdf
http://www.ntpog.org/articles/magazines/battle.pdf
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From: Nonya (hint: VaBch)
Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Articles read.
Now, I do not own a ITR, nor would I ever. I am quite happy in my CRX. But speaking for what most want "to perform", the ITR has an edge. No matter how small that edge may be...it's still an edge above the Prelude.
Once again, we are only answering the question that was asked...
"just was wondering whitch puts out the more hp and what would be easier to work with"
Now, I do not own a ITR, nor would I ever. I am quite happy in my CRX. But speaking for what most want "to perform", the ITR has an edge. No matter how small that edge may be...it's still an edge above the Prelude.
Once again, we are only answering the question that was asked...
"just was wondering whitch puts out the more hp and what would be easier to work with"
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Hey Guys thanx for all you feedback on this , I am still on the brink of making my finial decision ! i have a friend out here in the 757 that is trying to get rid of his awd eclipse with a sheppard tranny in it so i may be getting another awd ! but nothing is for sure yet, i am really interested in the 5th gen preludes ......has anyone heard or seen these give much trouble to any owners ? cause i was looking at a couple of those !
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Re: H22 COMPAIRED to Type R
Originally Posted by EEK
transmission problems is the most common i hear of
Thats about all I can think of off the top of my head and I think that pretty much covers it. The only problems I've had is that the autotensioner began to fail at 35K miles, replaced under warranty.
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