The choice is up to you for buying a DSM or a TC, because I worked at toyota for year and half and drove a lot of tc's they're an all around nice car to own. Don't know much about modded ones, but I'm sure if done right($$) they'll perform better like any other car, they use the 4cyl camry engine btw so reliability isn't an issue . A clean dsm has always been eye candy to me personally as well... and you've had one of the cleanest dsms I've seen. Btw isn't there a "5-bolt" engine on the 2nd gen that's suppose to be the most reliable but hardest to find? I don't know much about those cars but ya, definitely dependable with regular maintanence and driven reasonably(not launching\racing all the time).

 

Long live 4G63's... .

 

Ok you say all DSM's are a piece of shit... but why is that your opinion.... "they break".... wow I dont know of a mod'd car that is produced that hasnt broken.

You also said you dont care how many DSM were produced and that you can name a hand full of DSM's owners that have had their car crankwalk on them. Name them... Second of all, do you think there is a car out there that doesnt have it's problems?
- Like I stated before GM truck with their rear ends... replace one of those see how much it cost...
- Let an 03 Cobra overheat with it's coolant TSB... How much do you think that engine cost
- What about Ford and their cruise control wires burning the cars down... yeah that sure would be nice... Im sure the ladies how that burned down cost around the same as an engine
Should I go on once again or just tell you to reread my post above? Obviously you overlook shit you can't argue.

Rephrased Question for Spic
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Your only defense as to why DSM's are a piece of shit is because they break. On a stock DSM, why do you personally think they are a piece of shit and also what makes them unreliable?

Tell me about them... go for it... wait less me guess, lack of maintance from her or previous owners. Lack of knowledge on the car, Lack of enough intellegence to stoop down to dating someone like yourself? Maybe that's why they are ex's....

223K MILES... wtf this isnt a diesel you dont expect a car to smoke on a stock motor at 223K miles? As for the clutch issue.... the shit was a stock clutch and the boost wasnt at a stock setting... Then when he replaced it he went ghetto cheap with a shitty clutch... that is his own fault. Then you bring in the broken axle... HEY Eclipz broke and axle too,both which were stock axles guess why... ADVANS and a LAUNCH.... Learn your facts before you try and bust on me with my own friends cars....

So now would you like me to go on about how all of your post in this thread have lacked any sort of knowledge pertaining to Fresh's question?

 

Fresh - Personally I love my wife's TC it seems to be a great car, drive nice and is very affordable.
Highlights
- Passenger seat reclines into a "bed"
- Rear seats recline
- 2006 Models come with steering wheel controls
- The radio is MP3/WMA readable standard

The car is somewhat peppy, but still could use a bit more power. TRD was talking about releasing the supercharger for it, but imo that is dumb. It needs to be turbo since it's fwd. My wife was debating between the TC and Colbalt.. and I talked her out of the Colbalt since they look like ass.

For the power side of things, the motors have been taking well to boost and bolt on... im not talking well as in supra or 03 cobra well. But they are capable of putting down good numbers. There are a few TC's out there making high 300whp marks and fully built TC's with standalone have made over 500whp. Pretty nuts... I know I wouldnt want 500whp in a TC but some people are crazy.

 

Idiot? Modding ANY car will make reliability an issue. But my experience with my DSM has been very reliable. I don't know about you, but I expect things to break when I launch at 6k + and 10psi on the studder box. The fact that this car has held over 40 launches and passes on the STOCK axles, and 27psi (53 lb/min) on the STOCK block with 113,000 miles makes me smile. When my 3rd gear shift rail broke I didn't get mad, it sucked but in all honesty, shit starts to give you push it hard enough. So I upgraded to a hefty tranny that will support about anything I can throw at it.

P.S. Watch my car will throw a rod/ crankwalk/ and catch on fire tomorrow now...lol.

 

What's up Spooln..I met u at quick8's last year..ur car is very solid...very impressed when I saw u run for the first time.

 

Stock or modd'd, DSM's have problems. Sorry.

I've dated 3 girls with DSM's. '91 Talon (rings at ~100k miles), a '91 Talon (synchro's at ~130k miles.. we think, it just stopped shifting into everything except 4th and reverse.), and a 97 Eclipse (crankwalk). All three of those were stock. They were owned by teenage females, you can't tell me they were beat on. 2 of the other Eclipses I personally know that crankwalked were stock, and 2 were fairly mod'd. That's 2 for 5 on the mod'd vs. stock argument. PS. - Of the three, I dumped 2. kthx.

Is this thread about Cobras? F150s? GM trucks? No.
Are DSM's shittier than TC's? Fuck yes they are.

You told me to try 'knocking' on Bandits car. I told you my personal experience with it. What else do you want to know? The fact of the matter is you brought it up like it was supposed to be 'reliable', when I've only seen the car in 'good' running condition 2-3 out of the ~dozen times I've seen it. I had a Thunderbird with ~210k miles on it, larger tires on the rear (245 KDW's, and 245 Pirellis, in place of the stocker 215's, since I guess the brand of the tire is an acceptable excuse for breaking?), 22psi, and full exhaust. Stock engine, stock trans, stock rear. I beat on my car harder than Bandit beats on his car (for nearly 8 months), and the only thing that ever broke was my throw-out bearing. Don't try to impress me with high-mileage bullshit. I love Jacky, I love his car, but it's not fucking reliable, and you bringing that car up into a DSM reliablity thread is retarded. I'm not trying to 'bust' you on your own friends car, you're the one that brought it up...

edit: and my Tbird wasn't diesel either.

 

Why are you even posting?

 

Shouldn't you be replacing your axles or something?

 

No actually, they will be fine bone stock. Thanks though. Shouldn't you be bragging about your thunderbird some more?