In other words, you give up since you're wrong.

 

Alright dude, since you have some sorta malfunction:

I stated that the VG30DETT was the strongest Nissan motor (meaning materials; build; power it can withstand on stock block). I challenged the other Nissan motors, specifically the RB26DETT, to stand up to the VG30DETT's capability of ~650HP.
- "drifter" posted evidence that the RB26 was equally as strong, amidst all the bullshit you were throwing at me. After I admitted defeat and after some more of your BS, you finally posted something to support the same claim.

Beforehand, you went off on all different angles, bringing up subjects that nobody ever argued, and stats for cars that were irrelevant to the argument. You also threw out all kinds of opinionated statements with no examples.

You said that "top jspec tuners swap SR20's into Z32's because it has more potential than the VG30".
- Who? Where? If they are "top tuners" it should not be difficult to provide examples.

You keep saying that the RB26 puts down more HP completely stock than the VG30.
- You still have not proved that. Your buddy "eng" posted that the R33 makes 190whp, which is much LESS than the Z motor makes. (By the way "eng", I hope my argument with your girlfriend here isn't the reason you started locking threads in the NoVA forum and why my thread was deleted. That is a cowardly way of using your "moderator powers". I'd hate to lose respect for you the way I lost the little respect I had for Heat. If I am wrong, I apologize).

You said "alot of family sedans are making close to the same HP out of smaller V6's than the 350Z".
- I asked to see some examples of some family cars that make 287HP. You gave back none.

You constantly go back to "there are more high HP Skylines than Z32's".
- Well even though that fact has NOTHING to do with the argument at hand, there very well SHOULD be more. The Skyline was mass produced at a much greater scale than the Z32; they are very very common overseas and as you know came in several different options and trim levels. Not to mention the price difference. The Z was marketed toward a specialized buyer, particularly ones with a little extra money. The Skylines came in all different shapes and price ranges, as so it was much cheaper and more common than the Z. If you see more Z's than Skylines overseas, then something is very wrong. As far as the Skyline being more popular, and/or easier to extract more power from, and/or easier to swap the motor into other cars, no argument there.



I really don't see what else there is to argue; but if you're just gonna keep coming back with shit to confuse the original argument, then fine. I DO give up.
The VG30DETT is pure shit. I might as well swap a B16 into my Z. All of Heat's listed 1000HP Skylines are using unmodified stock blocks.
Heat is the grandmaster of all. I am nothing.

If you need the last word or want to twist this around any further, post whatever you want. I am not posting on this thread ANYMORE.

 

Seriously, I asked you a bunch of times what exactly you were claiming.

You said "the mother of all nissan motors"
I said in response to that, "that can be taken to mean a number of different things" and then asked you to tell me specifically WHAT you were claiming it did.

I did not see an answer, so I tried to cover all the angles.
Most hp stock, most hp on stock block, most hp modified block.
So let me explain all of them again.
Most hp stock - the z puts down a paltry what, 250 or something you said? Surely you can recognize that's not very much. The gtr is said to be in the region of 300-330 crank. To be completely honest, I looked for about 10 minutes and could only find one readign for a stock skyline gtr dynoed in australia. It made about 280awhp but there was no dyno graph for it, only the number from a list of cars. I did not see this as sufficient, I wanted a complete dyno chart but I was in a rush so I left it for the time being.

Next, stock block most power. 749awhp from turbo XS in the united states. I found that example in less than a minute and didn't bother to look anymore on that subject.

Most power modified - well, just gave out a bunch of skylines making over 1000hp. I thought it should be enough to make you see that there are more high hp rb26s than there are vg30s.

So, in conclusion, the reason for those different tangents is because I couldn't get a straight answer out of you for exactly what you meant by "mother of all nissan engines".

To me that means all of the above, and the rb26 is it.

 

Off the top of my head, Acura CL-S.

 

 

Did you happen to notice that all that was in response to me after I posted some of the other stuff?

Not only that, but most of them are ambiguous.

Strongest this, strongest that.

The only ones I see that state specifically strongest on stock internals are.

"Show me another Nissan motor that can soundly support 650rwhp without any internal work."

which in response I said the rb26

and also

"I stated that the VG30DETT was the strongest Nissan motor (meaning materials; build; power it can withstand on stock block). I challenged the other Nissan motors, specifically the RB26DETT, to stand up to the VG30DETT's capability of ~650HP."

which I provided 749 for the rb26

Now, when I specifically ask you what you are claiming, and you respond with an ambiguous statement over and over like you quoted above "strongest motor" can mean a number of things LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING.
Most hp stock, most hp stock internals, most hp modified.
You didn't clarify until the very end after I had already gone and posted the rest of the stuff.

 

It is ambiguous because that is the ONLY point I tried to make in this entire thread. Anything else was concocted and argued by YOU! - Another thing I tried to point out to you repeatedly, but you kept going on and on and on....
ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?!?!? Or just dumb as a brick? I just went back and picked out every statement I made constantly referring to my one and only argument that came from the beginning of the thread! I did that just for YOU since you seem to have a reading / comprehension problem. My first post states my argument, and the second one quoted clarifies what I meant. All after that just repeat the only thing I was trying to argue, but I guess you were too slow to pick that up, even after I reposted it all for you.

I am seriously done here. Anybody reading this can see that there was a good debate; I was proved incorrect in my assumption; and you are one of God's special children. I don't know what else you have to try to prove, unless you want to reiterate that you are a fucking idiot.

If you still have problems reading, that is YOUR problem. If you're hoping this will continue to escalate, go pick a fight with someone else. I have run out of tolerance for pitiful weak-minded people.

 

hrm what's that? That's you going off on a tangent about how the 350z and vg30 make more hp stock than any other nissan motor.

Here is where I asked you to clarify what you were claiming.

Your response is as follows:

Nowhere in there do I see strongest on stock internals. So, you were again ambiguous, so I went ahead and covered all the angles.

And now to wrap up this reply:

Haha...and you're the one calling me stupid

 

WOW! That was marvelous.

C-ya!